First child. The longer they wait the less likely they will ever have a child, therefore the jews promote waiting because career/travel/miles of dick/etc. White women need to get back to making babies while they're still teenagers.
White women need to get back to making babies while they're still teenagers.
This has no business in White society, and never has.
Reminder that girls actually went to school to be trained in how to be a lady, and wouldn't be considered even eligible for marriage until their early twenties, after which they would attend the local ball/'hoe-down'/social dance where they would be intermingled with men for the first time and suitors selected.
Families that couldn't afford schools would hire tutors, and families that couldn't afford that would have the wife train the daughters, before they would attend the local dance. This has been our custom for the hundreds of years that we have good records on social norms.
What you describe wasn't even common in the countryside - it wasn't until jewish-pushed promiscuity, which predated condoms, that you started to see a number of kids born out of wedlock at young age (which led to the 'shotgun-wedding' - look it up).
Take your pedo shit elsewhere. It isn't even remotely White.
My oldest brother was born to a 16 year old (my mom of 6) and my oldest sister had her son at age 15. We're country people and this is not uncommon. Not pedo shit as you call it, the fathers were the same ages. Both kids grew up strong and healthy. Your 'rules of the game' may apply in the big cities, but rural folk live eat and breed in more natural ways.
My oldest brother was born to a 16 year old [...] We're country people and this is not uncommon.
We all live in a time post-jewish-led-promiscuity - it began with the ((('flappers'))) around the turn of the last century. What you are describing was considered a disgrace to the family, and thus rare, just 140 short years ago.
Really, it was considered a disgrace even more recently - many of us had grandmothers whoring around that the families tried to keep under wraps (again, because it wasn't normal).
Your 'rules of the game' may apply in the big cities,
My studies of the matter included all regions. What part of 'that shit wasn't normal until jews' can you guys not get?
In fairness, aristocrats often marry way outside of social norms because of the need to use marriage to forge alliances. Regular people in England did not typically marry that early, although they did often marry much younger than they do now.
Lol. King Richard II, well loved and respected, married his wife when she was 7 years old.
No he didn't. Anne of Bohemia was 16 when she married, and died at 20 to the plague. Even with the pressures of the plague, the earliest you see is 16.
This is how flourishing societies function
There is a cap to the 'earliness' that is actually borne from the 'readiness'. You probably meant biologically by that statement, but, with a broader definition, it is actually accurate.
More accurately: 'healthy societies function when women have children after the age in which they can be entrusted the duties of motherhood'.
Reminder that girls actually went to school to be trained in how to be a lady, and wouldn't be considered even eligible for marriage until their early twenties, after which they would attend the local ball/'hoe-down'/social dance where they would be intermingled with men for the first time and suitors selected.
Yes, the upper class did this towards the latter half of the 1000's. Middle and lower class not so much. Even the classic story of Romeo and Juliet has Juliet at age 13 and Romeo at age 16/17, both from upper class families, and they planned to elope immediately so Juliet wasn't married off to her father's choice. Their ages were not controversial at the time.
Take your pedo shit elsewhere. It isn't even remotely White.
Reads "while they're still teenagers" and assumes "prepubescent" instead of 16-19. Also assumes with older men. Who's the pedo?
Nonetheless, the White race is being genocided in a "peaceful war", and I am not entirely opposed to 13-15 year olds having babies (with males of similar age, not older men) until the war is won.
I knew this was coming - I was waiting for this. First, let me reiterate - it has no business in White society, and never has. When you see an example, start looking for jewish infiltration. Again, the middle-eastern races promote relationships with ever-younger girls/boys.
Theodora Komnene
My sides! The Komnenes were literally jews from Armenia!
Lucrezia Borgia
Jewish as well - she is the bastard child of 'Pope' Alexander VI, who couldn't control his jewish degeneracy during his papacy (kept many White mistresses, etc), and whose paintings even capture his hooked nose, dark hair, and middle-eastern features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI
Isn't that hilarious, by the way? The pope is clearly of jewish features, but the bastard daughter is fair-skinned, red haired, and with overall White features. We know, like all jews, he prefers White women as company.
As a fun fact, this is the same 'Pope' who was (((installed))) to permit Ferdinand and Isabella to wed, which were the first jewish-groomed stooges I have seen in recent history. Of course, Isabella was (and still is) considered 'friends of the jews' even though Ferdinand would later install the Inquisition.
Bianca of Savoy
From the house of Savoy, which was infiltrated since ~1200 by two jewish lines - the Medicis (the same Medicis responsible for the fall of the Catholic Church) and the Jagiellons. There is also some intermarriage between the Savoys and the Komnenes, which is an entirely jewish line.
Yes, the upper class did this towards the latter half of the 1000's. Middle and lower class not so much.
I stated what each and all of the classes did - this was an integral part of White society, and only disappeared around the late 1800s into the 1900s, because of the first wave of feminism. Again, it is only gone due to jews.
Even the classic story of Romeo and Juliet
Written by Shakespeare, who most probably didn't exist. BTW, if he didn't exist, then he would be a jewish fabrication. Do your own homework on that one - I've spoon-fed you enough today.
Who's the pedo? [...] I am not entirely opposed to 13-15 year olds having babies
Did you want cites for more? I didn't bother citing much, as usually I am arguing against people that didn't arrive at their positions rationally (and thus don't actually care about cites or truth in general).
If you care, much on the Savoys can be found from the peerage and wiki, and Komnene was tracked by Mathis. The bits about Borgia + the ((('pope'))) are from a mix of sources that I wrote into a number of large articles regarding the fall of the Spanish Empire as engineered by the jews, and for their benefit (and traced it forward to the colonies and even the US [many of our early settlers were jews previously from Spanish territories]). Ask for these if you want them as I'd have to go digging - I've posted much of it already to this Voat though.
The battle against the church is one they have been fighting for a long time; mostly against the Catholics, which were the bastion. The protestants were a jewish-created splinter sect that ditched most of the Christian culture (see John Calvin below), keeping only the basics, and led to the Huguenots, which became refugees, like the jews, and let the jews blend in with 'Christian migration' between France and bordering countries when jews ran from the Inquisition. Keep this in the back of your mind when you read on this.
I stated what each and all of the classes did - this was an integral part of White society, and only disappeared around the late 1800s into the 1900s, because of the first wave of feminism. Again, it is only gone due to jews.
Yes, you are correct. I was looking into the historical age of marriage and came across this book: “Medieval Households” by David Herlihy, Harvard University Press, 1985
In it, is a chapter Ages At First Marriage (pg 103). You can see you are correct with these lines:
1 "The average ages rise a little as the fifteenth century progresses. At Florence in 1480, it was 20.8 years for women, and 21.1 at Prato in 1470."
2 "The Florentine domestic chronicler Giovanni Morelli, writing in the first decade of the fifteenth century, hearkened back to olden times, presumably the twelfth century, when girls were married at 24 or 25."
So yes, you are correct! I openly admit it! Congrats!
But that's not all! It also says the following:
3 "For 30 Florentine women, whose birth dates and wedding dates between 1251 and 1475 are given in published family memoirs, the average age at first marriage is 17.2 years."
4 "At Prato in 1372, estimated age at first marriage for city girls was 16.3 years; at Florence in 1427, it was 17.6 years. Girls in the Florentine countryside were somewhat older at first marriage in 1427; their average age was 18."
5 "For 14 widows younger than age 30 in the survey, the average age at which they gave birth to their first surviving child was 18.4 years. They must have been age 17 or younger at first marriage."
6 "In the noble family of Wittelsbach, from 1300 to 1520, four brides were between 12 and 13 years; eight about 14; and two about 15. Among the Hohenzollem, five brides were between 12 and 13; five about 14; and five about 15. And among the Nassau, one was 12; two were 14; and three were 15. Among the patricians of the town of Frankfurt, the average age of 43 brides was 18.8 years. The mother of the artist Albrecht DUrer was married at age 15."
So it looks like I am correct as well (unless the jews can be blamed again). Damn...
Also, there is this: "The bride had to have completed twelve years of age, and the groom fourteen. And both had to give their consent to the union: nuptias consensus non concubitus facit, "consent, not intercourse, makes the marriage."31 (This Roman legal maxim was destined to exert a profound influence on the marriage rules of the medieval Church.)"
I don't think I've ever read anyone type this to anyone before. I don't know how to respond.
or view the excerpt as a png here:
Thanks for the link. Keep in mind the plague was a thing during these time periods, which depressed the marriage and child-bearing ages as most didn't survive past their 20s. It definitely created a lot of pressure to 'hurry up'.
So it looks like I am correct as well (unless the jews can be blamed again). Damn...
You just have to dig to know one way or the other. The most popular examples are all jewish though, mostly because jews like to self promote as icons or role models, so it makes refutations easy.
They aren't ready to be mothers, and given the natural purpose of sex is to produce children, any attraction to a girl to young or otherwise unprepared for motherhood is degenerate (possibly predatory, but pedos love to argue the definition of 'predatory').
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This has no business in White society, and never has.
Reminder that girls actually went to school to be trained in how to be a lady, and wouldn't be considered even eligible for marriage until their early twenties, after which they would attend the local ball/'hoe-down'/social dance where they would be intermingled with men for the first time and suitors selected.
Families that couldn't afford schools would hire tutors, and families that couldn't afford that would have the wife train the daughters, before they would attend the local dance. This has been our custom for the hundreds of years that we have good records on social norms.
What you describe wasn't even common in the countryside - it wasn't until jewish-pushed promiscuity, which predated condoms, that you started to see a number of kids born out of wedlock at young age (which led to the 'shotgun-wedding' - look it up).
Take your pedo shit elsewhere. It isn't even remotely White.
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[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic -2 points 2.9 yearsJul 2, 2021 07:03:54 ago (+0/-2)
We all live in a time post-jewish-led-promiscuity - it began with the ((('flappers'))) around the turn of the last century. What you are describing was considered a disgrace to the family, and thus rare, just 140 short years ago.
Really, it was considered a disgrace even more recently - many of us had grandmothers whoring around that the families tried to keep under wraps (again, because it wasn't normal).
My studies of the matter included all regions. What part of 'that shit wasn't normal until jews' can you guys not get?
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No he didn't. Anne of Bohemia was 16 when she married, and died at 20 to the plague. Even with the pressures of the plague, the earliest you see is 16.
There is a cap to the 'earliness' that is actually borne from the 'readiness'. You probably meant biologically by that statement, but, with a broader definition, it is actually accurate.
More accurately: 'healthy societies function when women have children after the age in which they can be entrusted the duties of motherhood'.
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Sure it has.
Theodora Komnene, married age 13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodora_Komnene,_Queen_of_Jerusalem
Lucrezia Borgia, married age 13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucrezia_Borgia
Bianca of Savoy, married age 13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_of_Savoy
Yes, the upper class did this towards the latter half of the 1000's. Middle and lower class not so much. Even the classic story of Romeo and Juliet has Juliet at age 13 and Romeo at age 16/17, both from upper class families, and they planned to elope immediately so Juliet wasn't married off to her father's choice. Their ages were not controversial at the time.
Reads "while they're still teenagers" and assumes "prepubescent" instead of 16-19. Also assumes with older men. Who's the pedo?
Nonetheless, the White race is being genocided in a "peaceful war", and I am not entirely opposed to 13-15 year olds having babies (with males of similar age, not older men) until the war is won.
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic -2 points 2.9 yearsJul 2, 2021 07:45:23 ago (+1/-3)
I knew this was coming - I was waiting for this. First, let me reiterate - it has no business in White society, and never has. When you see an example, start looking for jewish infiltration. Again, the middle-eastern races promote relationships with ever-younger girls/boys.
My sides! The Komnenes were literally jews from Armenia!
Jewish as well - she is the bastard child of 'Pope' Alexander VI, who couldn't control his jewish degeneracy during his papacy (kept many White mistresses, etc), and whose paintings even capture his hooked nose, dark hair, and middle-eastern features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI
Isn't that hilarious, by the way? The pope is clearly of jewish features, but the bastard daughter is fair-skinned, red haired, and with overall White features. We know, like all jews, he prefers White women as company.
As a fun fact, this is the same 'Pope' who was (((installed))) to permit Ferdinand and Isabella to wed, which were the first jewish-groomed stooges I have seen in recent history. Of course, Isabella was (and still is) considered 'friends of the jews' even though Ferdinand would later install the Inquisition.
From the house of Savoy, which was infiltrated since ~1200 by two jewish lines - the Medicis (the same Medicis responsible for the fall of the Catholic Church) and the Jagiellons. There is also some intermarriage between the Savoys and the Komnenes, which is an entirely jewish line.
I stated what each and all of the classes did - this was an integral part of White society, and only disappeared around the late 1800s into the 1900s, because of the first wave of feminism. Again, it is only gone due to jews.
Written by Shakespeare, who most probably didn't exist. BTW, if he didn't exist, then he would be a jewish fabrication. Do your own homework on that one - I've spoon-fed you enough today.
Classy.
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[ + ] aleleopathic
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If you care, much on the Savoys can be found from the peerage and wiki, and Komnene was tracked by Mathis. The bits about Borgia + the ((('pope'))) are from a mix of sources that I wrote into a number of large articles regarding the fall of the Spanish Empire as engineered by the jews, and for their benefit (and traced it forward to the colonies and even the US [many of our early settlers were jews previously from Spanish territories]). Ask for these if you want them as I'd have to go digging - I've posted much of it already to this Voat though.
Mathis on the Komnenes/Komnenas, starting page 5: http://mileswmathis.com/phillip.pdf
The peerage: http://www.thepeerage.com/
The battle against the church is one they have been fighting for a long time; mostly against the Catholics, which were the bastion. The protestants were a jewish-created splinter sect that ditched most of the Christian culture (see John Calvin below), keeping only the basics, and led to the Huguenots, which became refugees, like the jews, and let the jews blend in with 'Christian migration' between France and bordering countries when jews ran from the Inquisition. Keep this in the back of your mind when you read on this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenots
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https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost.php?postid=60de27f74f4ac&commentid=60df302485e18
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Yes, you are correct. I was looking into the historical age of marriage and came across this book: “Medieval Households” by David Herlihy, Harvard University Press, 1985
You can grab a PDF of it as I did here: https://epdf.pub/medieval-households-studies-in-cultural-history.html
or view the excerpt as a png here: https://files.catbox.moe/y1im4q.png
In it, is a chapter Ages At First Marriage (pg 103). You can see you are correct with these lines:
1 "The average ages rise a little as the fifteenth century progresses. At Florence in 1480, it was 20.8 years for women, and 21.1 at Prato in 1470."
2 "The Florentine domestic chronicler Giovanni Morelli, writing in the first decade of the fifteenth century, hearkened back to olden times, presumably the twelfth century, when girls were married at 24 or 25."
So yes, you are correct! I openly admit it! Congrats!
But that's not all! It also says the following:
3 "For 30 Florentine women, whose birth dates and wedding dates between 1251 and 1475 are given in published family memoirs, the average age at first marriage is 17.2 years."
4 "At Prato in 1372, estimated age at first marriage for city girls was 16.3 years; at Florence in 1427, it was 17.6 years. Girls in the Florentine countryside were somewhat older at first marriage in 1427; their average age was 18."
5 "For 14 widows younger than age 30 in the survey, the average age at which they gave birth to their first surviving child was 18.4 years. They must have been age 17 or younger at first marriage."
6 "In the noble family of Wittelsbach, from 1300 to 1520, four brides were between 12 and 13 years; eight about 14; and two about 15. Among the Hohenzollem, five brides were between 12 and 13; five about 14; and five about 15. And among the Nassau, one was 12; two were 14; and three were 15. Among the patricians of the town of Frankfurt, the average age of 43 brides was 18.8 years. The mother of the artist Albrecht DUrer was married at age 15."
So it looks like I am correct as well (unless the jews can be blamed again). Damn...
Also, there is this: "The bride had to have completed twelve years of age, and the groom fourteen. And both had to give their consent to the union: nuptias consensus non concubitus facit, "consent, not intercourse, makes the marriage."31 (This Roman legal maxim was destined to exert a profound influence on the marriage rules of the medieval Church.)"
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I don't think I've ever read anyone type this to anyone before. I don't know how to respond.
Thanks for the link. Keep in mind the plague was a thing during these time periods, which depressed the marriage and child-bearing ages as most didn't survive past their 20s. It definitely created a lot of pressure to 'hurry up'.
You just have to dig to know one way or the other. The most popular examples are all jewish though, mostly because jews like to self promote as icons or role models, so it makes refutations easy.
Thanks for the link.
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They aren't ready to be mothers, and given the natural purpose of sex is to produce children, any attraction to a girl to young or otherwise unprepared for motherhood is degenerate (possibly predatory, but pedos love to argue the definition of 'predatory').
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https://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/the-legacy-of-1885-girls-and-the-age-of-sexual-consent
https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&source=24
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and this "becky" looks awfully jewish