Just so everyone here is clear, this is supposed to be impossible, per the biological definition of species.
However, we have numerous examples of hybridization in the animal world (a more popular example is the cabbit - cat+rabbit), and unfortunately, quite a few examples of human hybridization. This page has reported hybrids sorted by biological distance. http://www.macroevolution.net/mammalian-hybrids-articles.html
Of course, the ultimate conclusion of this research is that we are, ourselves, hybrids of a certain chimpanzee and a certain pig (which elegantly explains a number of problems, including our extreme similarity of our tissues to those of pigs). Distant hybrids require backcrossing to remain extant, and it appears the dark races are backcrossed with more chimp, and the lighter races backcrossed with more pig. http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html
Apparently, our vasculature, including that of the cranium, our kidneys, teeth arrangement and diet, the entirely of our mating process (including both foreplay and 'sex for fun' - chimps don't do this), the entirely of the female vagina (including labia majora, uterine structure, etc), and, of course, eye colors that aren't brown are apparently all lifted wholesale from the pig.
[ - ] yesiknow 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 18:27:53 ago (+1/-0)
This must be a dad joke you're stringing out. Because there are no cat rabbit hybrids. And the goat isn't a human face. It's a deformed face. It's because it resembles the villager's faces, not people's faces. Even a chimped out nigger can't impregnate a goat.
Actually, that originally was the definition of species, which was amended to 'fertile offspring', and will be amended again, soon. Things like the Liger etc were major holes in the 'fertile offspring' definition just a few short years ago, especially since it was proven that the offspring occasionally were fertile, making backcrossing possible.
EDIT: if you are referring to the first line in my TLC, I was referring to the biological distance - the chromosome counts don't even line up, which is supposed to make that impossible, but it really only makes it highly improbable.
in the 19th century maybe. it's more of a cultural myth at this point. the definition of species is fake and gay, of course, but it still relates to distinguishing features. "ability to interbreed" was just one of a checklist of items used as a shorthand for deciding if it was the same species back in the old days. also that site you link is dank af, glad to see it shared here.
You can't be serious... this is a birth defect, not a goat-human hybrid. And those "cabbits" are normal cats with a spinal defect resulting in their inability to move their hind legs properly.
Dead serious. As I said, it is a difficult subject to broach, as your mind rejects it outright until you've studied enough that you simply aren't left with any other reasonable conclusions to draw.
this is a birth defect, not a goat-human hybrid
'Birth defect' is a description, hybridization is a cause. Generally, hybridization over long distances leads to large defects, many of which prove fatal (e.g. elongated jaw but no jowl, preventing sucking milk).
And those "cabbits" are normal cats with a spinal defect resulting in their inability to move their hind legs properly.
This is a proposed alternate explanation, certainly not deserving of the confidence you give it.
The most common excuse given is that they are mistaken Manx (oddly enough, the Manx is recorded historically as itself being a hybrid, similar to the platypus etc), but the cabbits supposedly adopt a number of rabbit traits beyond appearance, such as thumping and vertical urination.
Yeah, but accepting a goat-human hybrid is a pretty extreme explanation. "That villages goats got a little too inbred" is much simpler and in line with what we know about inheritance. It happens to humans too without needing for any animal fucking to be involved.
Like... horses and donkeys are quite closely related and while they can produce offspring, said offspring is always infertile. I find it hard to believe that humans and goats can produce anything viable.
Yeah, but accepting a goat-human hybrid is a pretty extreme explanation.
I am not accepting it with confidence, but it is reasonably likely. I don't want to go off-topic, but we have a number of other hybridization examples we can review to help our inference. They are usually discovered indirectly because of their relative infertility (but not complete infertility) combined with conservation efforts (e.g. the Gorilla).
horses and donkeys are quite closely related and while they can produce offspring, said offspring is always infertile
We've known this to be false for a while - there are a number of genetically-proven cases of mule offspring, e.g.: https://www.denverpost.com/2007/07/25/mules-foal-fools-genetics-with-impossible-birth/ And this (horse/donkey) is with differing chromosome counts, which is the current explanation for what makes hybrids infertile in the first place.
This is why I said the definition of species would amended again soon. Again, hybridization makes fertile offspring improbable, but not impossible.
Without context, you appear lost. My mistake, I suppose.
Anyway, there are a few sections regarding the Manx. When the island was first discovered, the Europeans inquired about them; the natives responded that they themselves were cat-rabbit hybrids, and the Europeans eventually concurred.
Because of their overall more catlike than rabbitlike behavior, we should assume backcrossing with the native cat species.
Why would they be shocked? Goats are fucked openly and without shame over there. This does remind me, though, of that African that really looks like a chimp was it's father. Long story short, if cannibalism and human sacrifice is the norm over there then they shouldn't be shocked about one or more of their neighbors fucking goats.
It shouldn't get pregnant from a nigger, in fact it probably didn't. It makes perfect sense for them to "think" it was a nigger hybrid. Half the village probably watched it get fucked by a nigger, while the other half were niggers who fucked it. They drew the only conclusion they could. Imagine the hilarious finger pointing if they had fathers day there, but alas that's not something they celebrate.
Animal hybrids are a thing, but it's not common between species that are separated so far genetically. Lions can mate with tigers and have viable offspring, but they're both cats. Horses and zebras can mate and have viable offspring too, but goats and humans? I've never seen an example of that, and muzzies have been fucking goats since before the ink on the first Quran was dry.
I never ruled it out, I just said it shouldn't be possible. I'm willing to open my mind, I'm not a geneticist or anthropologist of any kind. Maybe it is a niggergoat. It's more likely that it's a severe birth defect. The tribe blamed witchcraft, but that's not an idea I'll entertain.
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic 4 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 05:08:05 ago (+6/-2)*
However, we have numerous examples of hybridization in the animal world (a more popular example is the cabbit - cat+rabbit), and unfortunately, quite a few examples of human hybridization. This page has reported hybrids sorted by biological distance. http://www.macroevolution.net/mammalian-hybrids-articles.html
This page dedicated to just cabbit hybrids: http://www.macroevolution.net/cat-rabbit-hybrids.html
Of course, the ultimate conclusion of this research is that we are, ourselves, hybrids of a certain chimpanzee and a certain pig (which elegantly explains a number of problems, including our extreme similarity of our tissues to those of pigs). Distant hybrids require backcrossing to remain extant, and it appears the dark races are backcrossed with more chimp, and the lighter races backcrossed with more pig. http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html
Apparently, our vasculature, including that of the cranium, our kidneys, teeth arrangement and diet, the entirely of our mating process (including both foreplay and 'sex for fun' - chimps don't do this), the entirely of the female vagina (including labia majora, uterine structure, etc), and, of course, eye colors that aren't brown are apparently all lifted wholesale from the pig.
[ + ] yesiknow
[ - ] yesiknow 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 18:27:53 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Empire_of_the_Mind
[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 05:10:26 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 05:15:44 ago (+1/-0)*
EDIT: if you are referring to the first line in my TLC, I was referring to the biological distance - the chromosome counts don't even line up, which is supposed to make that impossible, but it really only makes it highly improbable.
[ + ] Empire_of_the_Mind
[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 3 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 05:19:04 ago (+3/-0)
in the 19th century maybe. it's more of a cultural myth at this point. the definition of species is fake and gay, of course, but it still relates to distinguishing features. "ability to interbreed" was just one of a checklist of items used as a shorthand for deciding if it was the same species back in the old days. also that site you link is dank af, glad to see it shared here.
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 05:21:04 ago (+1/-0)
Cheers bro. Touchy subject, but trying to broach it since the oldVoat days.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 09:01:49 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 09:28:29 ago (+0/-0)
Dead serious. As I said, it is a difficult subject to broach, as your mind rejects it outright until you've studied enough that you simply aren't left with any other reasonable conclusions to draw.
'Birth defect' is a description, hybridization is a cause. Generally, hybridization over long distances leads to large defects, many of which prove fatal (e.g. elongated jaw but no jowl, preventing sucking milk).
This is a proposed alternate explanation, certainly not deserving of the confidence you give it.
The most common excuse given is that they are mistaken Manx (oddly enough, the Manx is recorded historically as itself being a hybrid, similar to the platypus etc), but the cabbits supposedly adopt a number of rabbit traits beyond appearance, such as thumping and vertical urination.
Keep studying.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 14:09:28 ago (+0/-0)
Like... horses and donkeys are quite closely related and while they can produce offspring, said offspring is always infertile. I find it hard to believe that humans and goats can produce anything viable.
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 15:21:36 ago (+1/-0)
I am not accepting it with confidence, but it is reasonably likely. I don't want to go off-topic, but we have a number of other hybridization examples we can review to help our inference. They are usually discovered indirectly because of their relative infertility (but not complete infertility) combined with conservation efforts (e.g. the Gorilla).
We've known this to be false for a while - there are a number of genetically-proven cases of mule offspring, e.g.: https://www.denverpost.com/2007/07/25/mules-foal-fools-genetics-with-impossible-birth/ And this (horse/donkey) is with differing chromosome counts, which is the current explanation for what makes hybrids infertile in the first place.
This is why I said the definition of species would amended again soon. Again, hybridization makes fertile offspring improbable, but not impossible.
[ + ] RabbiKinderschtupper
[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 08:17:42 ago (+1/-1)
Those pictures are of a Manx.
Source: I have a Manx.
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 09:07:13 ago (+0/-0)
I never said anything about a Manx. Wrong thread - you are lost.
[ + ] RabbiKinderschtupper
[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 13:51:26 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] aleleopathic
[ - ] aleleopathic 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 15:13:11 ago (+0/-0)
Without context, you appear lost. My mistake, I suppose.
Anyway, there are a few sections regarding the Manx. When the island was first discovered, the Europeans inquired about them; the natives responded that they themselves were cat-rabbit hybrids, and the Europeans eventually concurred.
Because of their overall more catlike than rabbitlike behavior, we should assume backcrossing with the native cat species.
[ + ] PeckerwoodPerry
[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 3 points 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 00:36:22 ago (+3/-0)*
This isn't what I was talking about, but it'll do
https://youtu.be/EA-eltLTxOg
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[ - ] albatrosv15 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 30, 2021 06:13:37 ago (+1/-0)
So, it is a bad omen. Everyone shares same kind of stds.