Depends on the context but I grant your basic point. People at Stormfront will happily call themselves white nationalists. Officially so even. It's right on their homepage:
"We are White Nationalists who support true diversity and a homeland for all peoples, including ours. We are the voice of the new, embattled White minority!"
Stormfront is just newsletter tactics 2.0 which were already shown not to work in the 90s and earlier. That tactic has a local maxima to it. Same as the marxists/bolsheviks recognizing the ceiling of effectiveness on squadism (where they form up a squad to use direct action) without first having political cover by completing the march through the institutions.
I suspect what the new strategy should be is exactly what the left persued with intersectionalism: evangelism, in person.
Hold the diversity of course.
The internet is too impersonal and infinitely divideable/subvertable and censorable. "truth to power" to a telescreen is essentially "trust the plan" on a long enough timeline, because knowing something is, on a small scale, insufficient.
Many people knowing something personally, face to face, across a nation, creates an entirely different sort of environment that can be 'energized'.
The reason people do anything reliably on a regular basis, that doesn't involve money, is rarely ideological. No, the thing that makes people most apt to being reliable and useful to a cause is their shared bonds and connections to others who hold the same beliefs.
So 1. bond-building (fraternity), and 2. belief building (ideology) are the twin engines of successful grassroots organization.
Which is the exact thing we don't have right now. Which is the exact thing we need.
You're absolutely right, but the problem is infiltration. As far as institutions to occupy, I think the military was the best and obvious choice, but the infiltration of that institution was was successful under Obama.
"You're absolutely right, but the problem is infiltration."
The problem of infiltration goes away as scale of organization passes a critical point.
At some point any organization or movement will be infiltrated in some fashion or way.
The key is to organize in such a fashion not to prevent infiltration, but to mute its impact.
It's why protests will have 'handlers': their job is to kick out anyone that even smells of being a bad actor.
And its why organizations and events have "letters of intent", so bad actions by infiltrators are harder to impute onto leadership.
The fact is its always an assumed risk.
If you're aware of it you can 1. manage it, 2. mitigate it, 3. and maximize the upside (i.e. feeding the bullshit and misdirection to keep the state actor's off balance and running around like fools).
In fact if you have people with counter-intelligence experience in your fold, theres no reason you couldn't catch the informants and their handlers red handed and fund your organization from the proceeds. That would be a number one goal of mine if I were an organizer: catching the state interfering with first amendment protected activities.
[ + ] d1a
[ - ] d1a 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 26, 2021 00:27:14 ago (+2/-1)
It's meant to demoralize you more than anything. The odd violence against whites really doesn't benefit their goal at all.
[ + ] notbillgates
[ - ] notbillgates [op] 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 26, 2021 15:28:52 ago (+0/-0)
"wassup" repeated like that is ghetto ebonics for "lets fight."
Almost every single time.
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[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 25, 2021 23:55:52 ago (+0/-0)*
"We are White Nationalists who support true diversity and a homeland for all peoples, including ours. We are the voice of the new, embattled White minority!"
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/
[ + ] notbillgates
[ - ] notbillgates [op] 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 26, 2021 00:08:53 ago (+1/-0)*
That tactic has a local maxima to it. Same as the marxists/bolsheviks recognizing the ceiling of effectiveness on squadism (where they form up a squad to use direct action) without first having political cover by completing the march through the institutions.
I suspect what the new strategy should be is exactly what the left persued with intersectionalism: evangelism, in person.
Hold the diversity of course.
The internet is too impersonal and infinitely divideable/subvertable and censorable. "truth to power" to a telescreen is essentially "trust the plan" on a long enough timeline, because knowing something is, on a small scale, insufficient.
Many people knowing something personally, face to face, across a nation, creates an entirely different sort of environment that can be 'energized'.
The reason people do anything reliably on a regular basis, that doesn't involve money, is rarely ideological.
No, the thing that makes people most apt to being reliable and useful to a cause is their shared bonds and connections to others who hold the same beliefs.
So 1. bond-building (fraternity), and 2. belief building (ideology) are the twin engines of successful grassroots organization.
Which is the exact thing we don't have right now. Which is the exact thing we need.
Because without it, nothing can be done.
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 26, 2021 12:06:53 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] notbillgates
[ - ] notbillgates [op] 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 26, 2021 15:27:07 ago (+0/-0)
The problem of infiltration goes away as scale of organization passes a critical point.
At some point any organization or movement will be infiltrated in some fashion or way.
The key is to organize in such a fashion not to prevent infiltration, but to mute its impact.
It's why protests will have 'handlers': their job is to kick out anyone that even smells of being a bad actor.
And its why organizations and events have "letters of intent", so bad actions by infiltrators are harder to impute onto leadership.
The fact is its always an assumed risk.
If you're aware of it you can 1. manage it, 2. mitigate it, 3. and maximize the upside (i.e. feeding the bullshit and misdirection to keep the state actor's off balance and running around like fools).
In fact if you have people with counter-intelligence experience in your fold, theres no reason you couldn't catch the informants and their handlers red handed and fund your organization from the proceeds. That would be a number one goal of mine if I were an organizer: catching the state interfering with first amendment protected activities.
Risks are really just opportunities in disguise.