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submitted by underpants to random 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 12:56:17 ago (+4/-0)     (random)

What are your goat thoughts on motorcycles? I've been thinking about getting a Z400. I've never ridden before and need to take BRC and get license of course. Do you think this is a fun hobby and I should go for it?


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[ - ] zongongo 1 point 3 yearsApr 23, 2021 18:32:13 ago (+1/-0)

I gotta chime in, if you're not into long long distances, 100+ miles, and you have any woods or trails. Get a dualsport, street legal on/off road four stroke.
62 here, riding since I was 17,
If you like exploring, or escaping if SHTF, a dualsport will get you places you'd never find otherwise.
I have a Honda XR650L, one big 650 cc cylinder, a bit of a monster on small single track trails but fire roads and dirt roads are a blast. Bike is bulletproof, it'll go where you point it, including into a tree.
Maybe not the greatest starter bike because it's so tall but it's a mighty stallion.
I can do 90 on the highway and rule the fast lane or take it up in the woods.
Suzuki makes the DRZ 400 which is a great choice. Little lighter and smaller.
XR650L though. 11.5 & 12 inches of fork travel. 12 inch ground clearance.
Honda has been making them since 93, ( mine's a 93) and still making them.
One of, if not, the longest running model for Honda.
Pages and pages and pages of used parts on ebay.
I'm 5'11" and I touch the ground on tiptoes, 350 pounds dry weight with an aftermarket Ascerbis 4.8 gallon tank and a Corbin seat.
I love my bike !!!
Had 11 bikes over the years.
Ones I loved as much;
1972 BMW R 60/5
Kawasaki KLX 650 (not a KLR) only made 2 years.
I have trials bikes for the woods. The XRL at 62 is just too much for me in the woods, BUT I KNOW IF I HAD TO, that bike would get me anywhere.
Don't forget Hondas legendary reliability.
I'll attest to it. I've had 4 single cylinder four stroke Hondas.
To sum up, consider a dualsport for adventure.
Bonus !! Learning on the trail makes you a better rider.
I can lose everyone I know on the 650.
Got my chops in the dirt.

[ - ] zongongo 1 point 3 yearsApr 23, 2021 19:45:12 ago (+1/-0)

For understanding the systems of a motorcycle and understanding how it works, as well as doing service and working on it your self. A dual sport single cylinder four stroke is a simple basic good place to start and the dirt experience will save you someday.

[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 23, 2021 22:31:42 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks, I hadn't considered dual sport or offroad. I will have to search if there's anywhere off road near me I could ride on...

[ - ] This_is_a_distractun 3 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:08:34 ago (+3/-0)

I started riding when I was forty. I love it. But i'm a person who has always loved driving around and exploring. I started with a 500 then an 800 and finally to a 1500. The bigger the bike the more comfortable it is and the further you can explore. For me it isn't about speed. A 400 could blow it away. if speed is what you want then it'll do that. I don't find riding around in town much fun and to get to the country sometimes makes for a longer ride and hence the need for a larger bike.

[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:18:50 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks for the reply. I'm about same age too and worry maybe I am too old to get started riding as I see all these YouTube videos on motorcycles and everyone seems to be early 20's zooming around on a sports bike. I don't imagine I'd do track days, racing, stunts, or any of that. I'm just feeling like it could be fun to get outside the house and ride around. Ride to some place for lunch or explore some towns nearby or things like that. Maybe it's a waste of money though if I run out of places to ride to after a few months?

[ - ] Atlo 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 14:39:35 ago (+1/-0)*

I don't use JewTube, but when I did I never watched 20 year olds. :/
There are a lot of ''old'' riders making good videos. Here I actually dug an old one up, just for you. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGazWBnczfA

[Edit] Regarding running out of places to ride.
Very very unlikely. You could drive over to another State during the weekend, and if you have scenic routes where you live - it never gets old riding those. =)

Even if you do get tired - don't drive for a time (over winter?) and that old place will seem like new. Hell! It even makes a difference what time of year your driving! Leaves and cool air in spring, warmness in summer, and white snow in winter.

[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 15:50:43 ago (+0/-0)

Damn that's a good video - thank you! Good insight on revisiting places too, thanks

[ - ] Not_a_redfugee 1 point 3 yearsApr 23, 2021 01:31:56 ago (+1/-0)

I've ridden ATV's since before I could reach the foot shifter. Then dirt bikes. Then bikes and now a mechanic for all of them. There's no other feeling.

[ - ] Not_a_redfugee 1 point 3 yearsApr 23, 2021 01:29:57 ago (+1/-0)

A Ninja 400? Great starter bikes. I'm a bike/atv mechanic at a dealership

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[ - ] ClitorisDestroyer 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 17:24:04 ago (+1/-0)

I would never get on a road with a speed limit > 40

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[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 16:38:22 ago (+0/-0)

damn :(

[ - ] MrHarryReems 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 15:31:10 ago (+1/-0)

I had motorcycles for decades, and owned a dealership at one point in my life. They can be fantastic, but they do come with elevated risk. I'd never ride a motorcycle where I live now because people here take their half of the road out of the middle, or sometimes the opposing lane. We also have one of the highest incidents of drunk driving in the country. We also don't have lane splitting here, which isn't that important due to the fact that we don't have terrible traffic where I am. I would definitely consider riding again if I ever moved to a place with better drivers.

[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 16:08:59 ago (+0/-0)

Damn. Yeah there's no lane filtering / splitting allowed in my state either.

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[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 16:07:32 ago (+0/-0)

Ending up in the hospital would be a nightmare! In the USA the prices are so ridiculous. :( That would be the nightmare scenario... losing my life's savings for a couple fun rides.

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[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 23, 2021 13:45:28 ago (+0/-0)

How long had he been riding for?

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[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 23, 2021 20:06:04 ago (+0/-0)

wow I could never afford a plane

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[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 24, 2021 13:46:11 ago (+0/-0)

holy shit, i never knew! i assumed any plane would be hundreds of thousands of dollars

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[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 14:51:43 ago (+1/-0)

You need a book called Twist of the Wrist, by Keith Code. Two volumes. Volume II is about riding a sport bike, and volume I is about road racing. These are the only books you need to learn about riding. And my advice is to get the bike you want first. Don't worry about dropping it. And don't bother getting a something like a 250 to learn on, because it's a waste of money.

[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 16:05:56 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks for the tip! I've heard everyone say you always drop your first bike so I was thinking it would be good to at least get frame sliders. I saw some YouTube videos where people had what looked like very simple drop from stand still or low speed and somehow the bike is really messed up leaking old and unable to start. Like WTF.. knowing drops aren't uncommon why don't the manufacturers build in more protection or durability?

[ - ] Le_Bucheron 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 14:12:07 ago (+1/-0)

I refuse to try it. I know without a doubt that im gonna get addicted to it and become the stupid retard getting caugh at 200mph. There's a good reason why my car is only 106hp...

[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 16:03:23 ago (+0/-0)

haha I know what you mean. I think it would have been too much for me in my early 20's but by now I don't think I'd be taking risks and doing stupid things.

[ - ] pickingrinninspittin 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:37:24 ago (+1/-0)

Do I have an opinion on motorcycles? Do you have 7 weeks?

I absolutely love motorcycles. They are not for everyone but if you enjoy it then chances are you'll enjoy it a lot!

But they come with caveats. There is increased risk for riding a bike (ie. a motorbike) over driving a car. This is obvious but sometimes we get carried away and forget to factor in that. Even the most highly trained riders sometimes get maimed or killed in an accident because there is only so much that the rider has control over. You need to be prepared to accept the elevated risk or it will eat away at you and spoil your fun. And the reason why we ride is for the fun!

I'm going to assume that you are a younger rider. I'm not familiar with the Z400 but it looks like a good bike to start. People start on sport bikes or Harleys all of the time and often they are fine but the Z400 will be much more forgiving when you make a mistake and as a new rider YOU WILL MAKE MISTAKES. This is how we learn. But even seasoned riders make mistakes. We are all human afterall.

You can do many thing to mitigate errors and their consequences:

1. Buy and wear protective gear. You will hear the term ATGATT (all the gear all the time) a lot and for good reason. The number of riders who are now minus a foot because they popped down to the 7-11 for a soda wearing shorts and flip flops is greater than you think. You probably don't have a lot of extra money to spend on gear but assume at least $1000 for helmet, jacket with some armor, boots, and gloves as a start. If you can't afford that then you should not be riding FULL STOP.

Tip: cheap gear usually does not last and will need to be replaced sooner, so in the long run will actually cost more than buying quality gear in the first place. If you can find good gear on sale then lucky you, otherwise be prepared to bite the bullet.

2. Take more courses, appropriate to your skill level. Remember that lots of miles in the saddle does not equate to lots of skill. You need to train and practice to improve. I know several long time riders who are only really competent to travel down the road in a mostly straight line.

After you get your license check out the MCRider channel on youtube. The guy has lots of training videos that you can work on to quickly make you a better rider. Start off with slow speed drills in a parking lot; they will give you a mastery of your bike faster than going right to the speedy, fun stuff.

3. Get Replacement Coverage for your bike. If it's stolen or totaled the insurer writes you a cheque for a new bike end of story. It's generally are not that expensive; mine is only an extra $15.

4. Get a copy of Proficient Motorcycling by David Hough. It's like $25 on Amazon. It will go into detail on topics that you will only touch lightly on in training, if at all. There are lots of good books for riders but none are better.

That's enough for a start. Enjoy!

[ - ] underpants [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:46:39 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks a lot for your detailed reply and advice! Do you think there's any way for me to know before spending a ton of money if it's something I'll really enjoy? Would I get a sense for that right away with the basic rider course? Right now I'm thinking I could pick up gloves and boots for the basic rider course and give it a go. From there maybe I will find I really enjoy it or that it's not for me.

[ - ] pickingrinninspittin 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 15:37:53 ago (+1/-0)

Unless I'm mistaken all you're going to learn on the BRC is how to change gears, apply brakes, some simple maneuvering, and maybe some suggestions for riding in traffic. A helmet and gloves is really all you need, because it's a controlled environment on a closed course. If you've got boots with ankle support wear them.

You probably won't find out whether or not you enjoy riding from it though. I mean I've heard stories of guys or girls completely not 'getting' a motorcycle and they don't return for the 2nd day, but those are the exception.

Riding is all about getting up in the morning, checking the weather, seeing it there's anyone who might want to go riding with you, lubing the chain, forgetting your rain gear and getting caught 50 miles from home in a downpour, fixing a flat at the side of a highway etc etc etc. All that plus constantly being reminded that the expression "ride like every car is trying to kill you" is true.

There are lots of reason not to ride. Just like there are lots of reason not to base jump. But we do it. Because we enjoy it. I could take every shitty thing that's happened to me on a bike and stack them up against one good ride and the one good ride wins by a mile. Unfortunately you won't know it until you've been riding for a while.

The cost entry is high: a bike, insurance, lessons, gear, etc. but that's the cost. All you can do is take the gamble, or not.

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[ - ] pickingrinninspittin 0 points 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 17:51:48 ago (+0/-0)*

My point was that both activities are relatively risky. But since you made the claim do you have proof?

I see the risk for BASE jumping reported as 1 death for every 500 to 1000 jumps. But I think it's difficult to compare this to motorbikes. People ride motorcycles many times more often than they'll base jump so the chance they'll get in a bike accident is increased just through this virtue. But also I think it's likely that the amount of care that goes into each jump would tend to be a lot higher than for your average motorcycle ride, not to mention the training and general skill level of the practitioners.

BASE jumpers may have a lower mortality rate than riders -- I don't actually know, I'm just supposing -- but that would not be proof that it is safer. But it is an interesting question.

[edit] I just realized those stats are for wingsuit and base jumping, so are inflated for this discussion.

[ - ] Weredawg 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:17:26 ago (+1/-0)

I love riding. I stick with cruisers since there are no tracks where I live. One of my favorite things to do on a Sunday morning is throw my camera, some food, and water in my backpack or saddlebags and cruise the backroads and see what I see.

I ride every chance I get, but I don't like riding in town too much. It's boring and car drivers can be oblivious. Keep your eyes on your mirrors when you're waiting at a stop sign or light and always assume the person making a left turn doesn't see you.

[ - ] underpants [op] 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:23:45 ago (+1/-0)

That sounds awesome and what'd I'd love to do. Just get out of the house and ride around for fun, making take some pictures and see some new areas. I have no outdoor hobbies besides walking right now and really need an excuse to get out more!

[ - ] Weredawg 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 15:21:19 ago (+1/-0)

That's one of the things I like the most. I see a lot of places I wouldn't normally visit. I almost always have a destination in mind when I'm in my car, but I just kinda wander around when I'm on a bike.

[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:09:03 ago (+1/-0)*

I love them, particularly if they have mufflers and aren't just revving outside my window. But I haven't ridden since... wow, gosh - 98-ish? Had my second big crash and the missus said "third time's the charm", so I just quit riding; traffic is deadly enough in this hellhole as it is, I suppose. Dunno what a Z400 is - I should look it up. Last bike I rode was a BMW R75/5; I loved that chuggy comfy old beast. It was like a cushy two-wheeled tractor.

Oh! THAT z400 - Some guy at the office has one of those, looks fun as hell. I kinda want one of those Triumphs. Or another BMW, but they got kind of pricey, for the price of something like I had before, I could just buy something brand new...

Anyone who says, "loud pipes save lives" deserves immediate buckshot to the face. But I digress...

[ - ] underpants [op] 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:22:12 ago (+1/-0)

Ah damn sorry about the crashes. That's definitely a concern for me. Everyone is distracted on their cell phones now maybe it's more dangerous than ever to be on a bike. I wouldn't be using it to commute or riding it daily in traffic. My thought was more to ride around for fun - staying away from too much traffic hopefully.

The z400 is basically the Kawasaki ninja 400 but more of a standard bike than a sports bike. No fairings, straight handle bar, more upright seat position. It appeals to me because the sports bikes look more for younger early 20's guys wanting to race or something. I'd just like to ride around as a casual.

[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 3 yearsApr 22, 2021 13:28:18 ago (+1/-0)

Man, if I could just tool around on nice days for fun away from retarded idiots driving like shitheads, I would absolutely still have a motorcycle! Whatever it is needs to have kick start, though. A center stand would be good, too.

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