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The virus has turned my worldwide upside down, in the opposite ways of Voat. I'm slipping away, please help.

submitted by ZorbaTheGreek to AskUpgoat 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:10:14 ago (+14/-6)     (AskUpgoat)*

Look, you might think this is a shill. You might think I'm some niggerfagget. Whatever.

I'm here to seek help, and here's the background:

1) I was one of the first users to the old Voat. I really was, even got that nice badge. Contributed some. Too bad it went down.
2) I very much identified with, thoroughly checked and ultimately believed everything in the usual topics we discuss. My redpill journey started long before that, but Voat was great in maintaining it.

Here's the problem:

Up until 2 weeks ago I also believed everything about the coronahoax. How it's all a setup, how vaccines are bad, how there's something fishy...

And to some degree, I still do. I've been called in to get my vaccine 4 times now and ignored it, but two weeks ago something happened that started putting a dent into my redpill: If I was wrong about this, what else am I wrong about?

I feel it slipping away from me and I need to be turned around before it's too late.

What happened is this:
Almost a week and a half ago I wake up to find a text from my mother: 'your father has corona, he just tested positive, i tested negative. call me when you wake up.'

Initially, I was like: 'don't worry it's fine' but my mother basically said:

A colleague (the only one he ever sees or shares an office with) felt ill so he got tested and he was positive. He let your father know about it and your father tested positive as well.

My father started having diarheea, within 24 hours it was followed by a mild fever. In the next 24 hours a dry cough started developing. Within 72 hours of him testing positive he was running a high fever and a cough. Things got progressively worse and 7 days in, he got hospitalized and put on oxygen. His cough was dry and prevented him from drawing too much air. He couldn't talk much without coughing.

He took Arbidol, Remedisivir, Hydroxycholoroquine, Azythormicine and a bunch of other things - some at my suggestion. Nothing helped. Nothing brought his fever down.

He's now in the hospital and got put on oxygen supplemented withy hydrocortisone (apparently put inside the oxygen supply - he said it smells like medicine - the oxygen being fed to him). He's still at it but stopped getting worse.


In the same house my mother and grandmother lived.

My grandmother developed a fever as well. She's 90. She got taken to the hospital. No cough, but she stopped recognizing people. No, not hallucinating, her fever isn't that high.

My mother - about 4 days later (starting from about yesterday morning) started developing a fever as well. Today was the highest she's had it, but I fear she'll end up in the hospital too, since she seems to be progressing even faster since her fever first showed. She has no cough either, but her oxygen level is low (they bought one of those finger oxymeters or what they're called and she went from 98 to 94 to 90 at the last check about 4 hours ago when I spoke to her).

I fear the worst for them, and in the same time, I'm here asking for help: why should I care what the vaccine does to me in 5 or 10 years, or that I have a chance of developing some other thing that could mess me up, when this thing might kill me before that anyway, seeing as what my folks are going through.

And furthermore, if I was so wrong about this, what else is there that I'm taking at face value? I spent the last 6 months doing 'research' on all of this and apparently it was all for naught. I was wrong and I'm scared shitless I will loose my entire family before they have a chance to meet their grandkids.

TL;DR - I didn't believe coronachan was that serious, but my family is now in the hospital.

Before you fucking downvote this, at least consider leaving a comment with something that might help put me back on track.

EDIT: 12/04/2021
My grandma is now dead, couldn't even attend funeral.
My mother is now also in hospital.


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[ - ] cyclops1771 9 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 21:50:28 ago (+9/-0)

Pneumonia is a real and deadly condition. Many things cause it - coronaviruses, rotoviruses, influenza viruses, whooping cough, TB, etc.

Invemectin is a great inhibitor at first signs of symptoms. (Dr. Pierre Kory M.D testifed about it in Congress.) Quinine can help alleviate the same type of fever conditions.

I was reading about 40 on the oxygen thingy when I had croup at age 26. Still have the scarred lungs to prove it.

Any virus that gets to your lungs is serious. The issue isn't that infection that leads to lung infection isn't serious, it's that corona itself doesn't require the sheer craziness this has engendered.

If someone told you your family had a serious flu infection, would you be as panicked/concerned? The covid noise has got you into a panic mode, which was the intention. Pneumonia will take many from us every year before their time.

When I was infected last summer, I laid there, same as you, "it's all fake," and yet, as I felt the sickness, I could not sleep - "Am I dying? Am i the statistic? Was I wrong? Oh shit, not this way!" My body rallied, as expected after a couple days, just like when I get flu like symptoms.

There is no secret answer - Bernie Mac dies from pneumonia by not taking it seriously when it started at his lungs. Dude was a famous, multi-millionaire. Regardless of fake propaganda and panic from MSM, pneumonia is always serious.

Vitamin D, and Zinc are minerals you can add to help your body fight off infection and create antibodies faster.

I can only add hopes and prayers for your family.

[ - ] ZorbaTheGreek [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 12, 2021 15:03:34 ago (+1/-1)

My father has been on this medication for the past 10 days, in the form of pills and an IV cocktail:
Favipiravir, Ciprofloxacin, Paracetamol, vitamins (including D), Zinc. Hydrocortisone is also added to his oxygen. It's been more than 10 days, I even lost track, and he is just now starting to feel better.

My mother on the other hand is on the same treatment, and a bunch of others, and she has zero cough or breathing issues, but massive gastro-intestinal issues. Liver enzymes out of whack. Same issues my grandmother who just passed away had.

I shilled it to them as 'just a shitty cold' but it isn't. It's something way more insidious.

[ - ] cyclops1771 0 points 3 yearsApr 12, 2021 20:07:49 ago (+0/-0)

Hey Zorba, I was actually wondering if you would provide updates.

Thanks.

I'm sorry about your grandmother. Tell me your favorite story about her, if you would share. 90 - she must have seen a lot of shit go down.

Cipro is anti-bacterial. I assume to make sure there isn't any other infections to keep them from fighting off virus. Paracetimol is basically Tylenol, anti-inflammatory.

Keep your head up, and hopes high, goat.

[ - ] Merlynn 6 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:33:06 ago (+6/-0)

Well,first off,any number of things can cause those symptoms. Flus,colds,pneumonia. And yes,they can get very bad. Even to the point of going to the hospital. Even dying. Especially in older people. This isn't proof of covid. It's only proof your family got sick. Which can happen with or without a pandemic. And since they're covid believers,I'm guessing they used masks. So,masks don't work.

And the vaccine is bullshit. Even if you believe covid is real,the vaccine is bullshit. Also,check to see if the colleague is jewish.

[ - ] ZorbaTheGreek [op] 1 point 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:36:32 ago (+2/-1)

this all takes place in eastern Europe. shapeshifters more rare. colleague not a joo. he's actually in the hospital as well, room next to my dad and last I heard he was even worse.

[ - ] Merlynn 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 21:59:22 ago (+1/-1)

Not as rare as you might think.

[ - ] PostWallHelena -2 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 23:00:18 ago (+1/-3)

Covid is absolutely real. It hit my area really bad last spring and some people I knew died.

Masks work somewhat in certain situations. The better N95 masks will reduce the amount of virus you inhale, the ones with no sides wont. They will only prevent people from spitting huge blobs of covid filled spit on people right in front of them. Good for hospitals and for people serving food. Its basically pointless to wear these things walking around outside unless you are right in someones face.

[ - ] Cynabuns 5 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 21:12:15 ago (+5/-0)

I'm so very sorry for what you're going through, I can see how that would shake your convictions.

Here's the bottom line:
You have researched the "vaccine" and know what it contains, you know of the possible outcomes, you know of what it could do to your ability to have children. Your mind knows not to get it. Your heart is breaking because of your family and it's messing with you.

Look, even if you got it now, sadly, that doesn't help your family today... but it could harm you tomorrow.

Trust your research.

And if you are of a mind, or are willing, put your trust in God.

[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 5 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:27:22 ago (+5/-0)

No one said it was fake. The death rates are overblown but there are death rates. Just like the flu or pneumonia, not everyone dies who gets it but some do, mainly elderly who are already compromised.

If you think a vaccine developed in 6 months for this shit is fine then you’re already lost and gone. Go over to poal.

[ - ] account deleted by user 5 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:34:00 ago (+5/-0)

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[ - ] ZorbaTheGreek [op] 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:33:06 ago (+2/-2)

I don't, I really don't, but seeing the state my father is in... makes me not want to care anymore. Fatigued, mixed with fear is what I'm feeling. He was chopping wood and then went from that to a shell of himself in less than a week.

[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 2 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 00:03:06 ago (+2/-0)

Fatigued and fear? Looks like the psyop got to you.

[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 23:04:40 ago (+0/-0)

No one said it was fake.

A lot of people said it was fake, still say it’s fake, and and doing so directly in this thread.

If you think a vaccine developed in 6 months for this shit is fine

Not that I get one, but they develop a new flu shot every year.

It’s evident that an additional half million Americans died in 2020, despite all manner of precautions and changed practices.

[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 1 point 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 00:01:27 ago (+1/-0)

That’s fair I shouldn’t have phrased it like that. People with common sense don’t say it’s fake, there is a strain of flu out there called covid 19.

And? People who get a flu shot still get the flu. I’d like to see your numbers of what % of people in the past who have gotten a flu shot but still got the flu. I 40-60% from the cdc.

[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 08:26:56 ago (+0/-0)

I had a better response but the goat ate it. In essence:

People who I can otherwise have good discussion with tell me that it’s fake. The last president was fond of calling it a hoax and saying it would magically go away.

“The flu” as we know it is variant strains of the Spanish Flu. Covid-19 is novel because it is not a strain of that. The annual flu vaccine is highly effective against the handful of strains it is designed for. The designers are against something which has had a hundred years to mutate, and is why the effectiveness varies annually based on how good their guess is of which strains will be most prevalent.

[ - ] i_hate_sodomites 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 12:44:44 ago (+0/-0)

No, it is not. The CDC itself admitted before all this covid bullshit started that it only gets the flu vaccine right 20% of the time. One year out of five. You're a faggot who hasn't done his research.

[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3 yearsApr 10, 2021 21:43:38 ago (+0/-0)

No what’s not?

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[ - ] account deleted by user 3 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:45:08 ago (+3/-0)

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[ - ] AndrewBlazeIt 3 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:32:40 ago (+3/-0)

Say I'm looking to purchase software to help me keep the books for a business. I've discovered that the amount of time required to properly design, code, and test such software usually takes about 3 years.

If some guy tried to sell me one that was created in 7 months, I'd laugh in his face.

[ - ] Breeder 2 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:53:58 ago (+3/-1)

I'm no doctor but that sounds like the flu. Have they tried chicken soup?

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 2 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:28:59 ago (+3/-1)

Bro, if this is real I'm sorry about your struggle. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but this advice applies in the absence of any virus.

Life is fickle, it's fragile, and it doesn't make sense. Get right with yourself. Death happens every day, and sometimes it happens in our day. It's fine, it's in accordance with nature. It sucks, but that's part of the journey too.

Get right with your people. If they die, you can walk away with peace. If they don't, you've mastered a skill that will help you in the long run.

Whatever happens, consider that it might have happened in the absence of any state sanctioned pandemic. People die every fucking day, but if you have a chance to make peace with them then you're luckier than most. Keep your chin up, and be strong in your convictions.

[ - ] ZorbaTheGreek [op] 1 point 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:34:23 ago (+2/-1)

This is good. Thank you. I'm trying to do just that. The only thing left for me to do is give them grandkids. I really want that to happen before they go.

[ - ] 3starAgent 4 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:48:06 ago (+4/-0)

If you get the vaccine you doomed your grandkids

just because the flu is real doesn't mean you need to take their poison

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:36:15 ago (+1/-1)

Do it regardless. Their legacy is now your responsibility.

[ - ] yesiknow 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 01:10:13 ago (+0/-0)

100,000 die of the flu in any given year in the US. Most will be older. And believe it or not, over 50 is older. People have forgotten that. However, It's unusual for a family to lose anyone from a flu in any year. Those are 100,000 "other people" that aren't your family, or mine of your neighbor's.

I had an aunt who died of the flu at 23, before I was born. Good health, nothing wrong with her she left work on a Friday feeling ill and was gone by Monday. No reason, no karma no nothing. I knew someone that died of pneumonia she didn't know she had. 50 years old and never woke up one morning. 10 years ago.

The epidemic is suicide and drugs. If the great masked hordes of vanity compassion showed an ounce of care abut the young dying in much bigger numbers they may not deserve their asses kicked. As it stands however, they can shove covid fear and loathing up their ass.

If you aren't paid by pfizer, and aren't lying, then I hope your parents recover. You can't expect more than that. Even in the greatest of war and destruction, there's nothing more really to be offered. Being afraid of dying is to be afraid of living and it may be the ultimate sickness.

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[ - ] LoliNeko 1 point 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 10:21:02 ago (+1/-0)

They've bundled all the various actual deadly diseases into a single umbrella term of "COVID" to inflate its numbers. The PCR test itself is phony, as you can arbitrarily vary its sensitivity to give you any desired result, depending on the cycle threshold: https://anti-empire.com/the-inventor-of-the-pcr-technique-would-be-the-first-to-say-its-not-fit-for-diagnostic-purposes/

Another important point: If HCQ doesn't work despite the decades of science proving its effectiveness against coronaviruses, then it clearly isn't COVID.

[ - ] Infearmal 1 point 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 00:24:04 ago (+1/-0)

5 or 10 years ? The jab kills in 3 days.
Diseases didn't start in 2020.
Cringed and bluepilled.

[ - ] StealthNinjaTaliban 1 point 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:16:00 ago (+1/-0)

If you aren't a shill, post the screen shot you took of your badges on last day of voat.


Get the vaccine if you want. It really doesn't matter that much though, everyone else will and you'll just take advantage of the herd immunity.

[ - ] ZorbaTheGreek [op] 2 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:31:04 ago (+3/-1)

I don't have a sceenie. My username was Zalmoxis, maybe some of you saw me around. They say vaccinated people can still carry and transmit the virus. That's what's really bugging me. Some docs are like 'they'll make this into a Mareks' disease' and others like that pfizer former vp say 'no way this virus mutates to escape immunity'.

Anyway, this is less about the vaccine and more about what happens when you trust in something like this and convince yourself you're done all the research you could and you're definitely on the right track then something like this comes around and hits you in the face.

I don't know what I was expecting from here, but seeing as I never made an account since this went up, this was a great reason to do so, no matter how many people think this is fake since it really does go against the narrative, but it is what it is and this is what I'm going through and I want to believe that someone out there has something good to say about the whole thing.

[ - ] StealthNinjaTaliban 0 points 3 yearsApr 14, 2021 10:35:35 ago (+0/-0)

SO has your family recovered or are they dead?

[ - ] ZorbaTheGreek [op] 0 points 3 yearsApr 14, 2021 17:05:34 ago (+0/-0)

My grandma died so far, my father has stopped coughing and is feeling better and my mother is still going through it.

[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 22:48:19 ago (+0/-1)

They say vaccinated people can still carry and transmit the virus.

While the virus itself can be serious, Fauc and co are definitely milking this shit for all its worth. They are really ramping up the hysteria.

Immunized people who inhale the virus in significant quantities can get a very mild usually undetectable infection but its over almost as soon as it starts because their anitbodies attack the virus right away. So the viral shedding coming from such a person would be so low that they would be unlikely to infect someone else.

It is important to remember that quantity of virus is very important in the infection process. People can inhale trace amounts of virus and get no infection or an infection so slight that they cant notice it. So even though immunized people might be passing around a few viruses occassionally, they are unlikely to transmit enough to make another person get sick.

This virus mutates very slowly compared to flu. People that get immunized now will still be immune to the variants around in 10 years. It has an “error checking/ correcting” function when it replicates, which reduces the mutation rate. The guys that say otherwise are trying to sell something.

https://www.bmhim.com/frame_esp.php?id=177

[ - ] AOUsYamaka 2 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 07:48:01 ago (+2/-0)

He’s 100% a shill. Like the other known ones that endlessly post in covid discussions. They will go this low to maintain the false perception and narrative. Fuck this guy and his family.

[ - ] AOUsYamaka 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 12:52:11 ago (+0/-0)

What 3rd world Eastern European shit hole are you from?

[ - ] Jew 0 points 3 yearsApr 11, 2021 00:07:37 ago (+0/-0)

I thought you worshiped Europe and considered all Europeans your brothers.

[ - ] AOUsYamaka 1 point 3 yearsApr 11, 2021 07:05:14 ago (+1/-0)

Who told you that heeb? Nice alt you have. Knew this was a fear-mongering post. Thanks for confirming.

[ - ] i_hate_sodomites 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 12:41:47 ago (+0/-0)

Flu alone kills between 12,000 and 15,000 people in the U.S. every year. Almost all of them are older folks like your family. You're blaming the corona for something that happens to thousands of people every year anyway.

Pneumonia kills even more, and that usually stems from untreated flus/colds in older folks, or older people who have pre-existing conditions.

In other words, shit happens, corona or no corona. You just got the short stick this year.

[ - ] AOUsYamaka 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 06:47:28 ago (+1/-1)*

You sound like a beta faggot your dad probably got aids because your Greek and you guys love taking it up the ass. You still live at home, how old are you? You’re an obvious shill, this post is very unauthentic, try harder next time big pharma. I was on old voat for over five years, you’re name doesn’t come to mind. What a faggot nigger.

[ - ] TerryB 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 03:13:57 ago (+0/-0)

His cough was dry because they were dehydrating him in the hospital trying to kill him. He went in with a serious flu and they are trying to kill him to get a better pay out. Here is a Joe Rogan interview about it. https://youtu.be/3FHRe3ISh5M

[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 07:53:40 ago (+0/-1)

I really like Jim Breuer but I can tell he doesnt know squat about C19. That story just sounded like shit doctoring at a shit hospital. Which is common. Especially now that pakis run all our hospitals. The cough was dry because the disease causes severe lung inflamation and not a phlegmy congestion. It is a serious flu. Its about 100x more fatal than regular flu because the levels of virus are much much higher. Thousands of times higher in severe covid. People that get smaller quantities of virus experience a typical flu illness. When the virus is able to outpace your antibody production, high viral load lead to the severe form.

[ - ] birds_sing 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 00:30:19 ago (+0/-0)

Think. Stop and think.

When you get a virus like Covid, you run a fever. But the virus doesn't give you the fever. Your immune system ups the body's temperature in order to kill the virus. Your immune system gives you the fever.

If you take anything to stop the fever, you aren't stopping the virus. You're stopping your immune system from killing the virus. So your immune system has to try harder to kill the virus. So you take more meds to stop your immune system. So your immune system tries harder. Etc, etc.

The virus itself.... THE VIRUS ITSELF is completely harmless to humans. All the virus does is use a few of your throat cells to replicate. That's it. It's not some flesh eating bacteria. It's a virus that replicates. That's all.

The only way that any human will die after catching Covid is if their faulty immune system kills them. Or if their healthy immune system is rendered faulty by taking meds that prevent their immune system from functioning properly.

The reason people run a fever after catching Covid is because their immune system knows that it can be killed with heat. Which means (and this is important) if you want to survive the virus, kill the virus by taking a hot bath.

Meanwhile, Pneumonia and other respiratory diseases - Covid replicates in your throat cells. So your IMMUNE SYSTEM gives you a runny nose and produces mucus to create a barrier over your throat.

If that mucus gets in your lungs, you then have fluid in your lungs. Bacteria loves fluid. So bacteria grows and you now have pneumonia or other respiratory problems.

But the virus didn't give you a runny nose. Your immune system did to block the virus.

The virus itself....THE VIRUS ITSELF is harmless to humans. All it does is use a few throat cells to replicate. Getting sick, fever, runny nose, all of that is caused by your immune system. The virus just wants to replicate.

[ - ] PostWallHelena -2 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 08:02:24 ago (+0/-2)

The virus itself....THE VIRUS ITSELF is harmless to humans. All it does is use a few throat cells to replicate. Getting sick, fever, runny nose, all of that is caused by your immune system. The virus just wants to replicate.

Sorry this is wrong. The virus wants to replicate in every cell in your body and that will kill you. It is destroying your organs. Bacterial overgrowths are basically not at all implicated in the majority of covid deaths. Its the virus and to some extent the sever inflammation of your body’s reaction.

The lung issues are ARDS, inflammation in the lungs and tiny clots in your aveoli. Its not mucus congestion.

[ - ] birds_sing 0 points 3 yearsApr 10, 2021 00:01:08 ago (+0/-0)*

I'm not sorry, you are wrong.

The virus does not want to replicate in "every cell in your body". It isn't capable of that. It doesn't destroy your organs because it doesn't touch your organs.

The only spot in your body it can survive is in the cooler part of your airway. It's impossible to have Covid in your lungs because it's too hot in there and it can't survive that.

Covid is a lytic virus. It can't hurt you in any way. Stop spreading lies.

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[ - ] paul_neri -1 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 03:08:05 ago (+0/-1)*

you will be set upon by the anti-virus goats and be torn limb from limb but ... you are totally correct.

[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 07:58:13 ago (+0/-1)

I think its also good to acknowlege that pro-virus hysterics are speading disinformation because everybody has a superstitious, irrational understanding of how infections work. It is this incorrect understanding that is at the heart of both camps’ positions

[ - ] paul_neri -1 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 08:08:11 ago (+0/-1)

Yes but in one respect it's all about respect - the politeness involved in not coating another human being in our lung vapour. Apparently this is one reason why asians were wearing masks in public long before the Covid hit the streets and I think it's a nice practice.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 13:03:32 ago (+0/-0)

Nonsense, life is interaction with other people and coating each other in lung vapor. It is totally inevitable.

Asians are weird. I dont follow asians. Besides they have had more outbreaks than other people because the CCP has had a more aggressive viral weapons program than anyone else for 20 years and this type of research is highly accident prone.

Wealthy political and corporate elites funded the creation of this virus. Wealthy elites spread the virus all over the globe because they travel abroad 20 or 30 times more than the average middle class person. That is who spread the disease. They need to keep on top of their millions of dollars. Meanwhile an iowa corn farmer cant go to a coffee shop. Meanwhile a family isn’t allowed in to the same room to say good bye to their dying loved ones. It is PERVERSE.

Muh variants tho. Who’s spreading the varients ? Same people who are lecturing corn farmers.

This disease is carried internationally by the wealthy and spread in urban areas rapidly. There is no disaster in medium and low density areas. Because those places are already social distanced. Naturally.

They imposed draconian useless measures on rural and suburban areas, fly over country. Out of sheer vindictiveness.

Masks are of limited usefulness. Helpful in a few discrete circumstances. Useless or harmful in others. My dad was so afraid of getting in trouble for taking his mask off, even though he couldnt catch his breath with it on while shopping. He ended up passing out and sent to the ER. Just stupid and arbitrary. Nobody even thought to mention turbo flush toilets in public restrooms. That shit alone probably killed a half million people. Arbitrary.

The mask salvation religion is retarded and irrational. They could be giving helpful medical advice and better interventions but no, just wear the holy mask.

They’re surpressing the cure Paul. Ivermectin is the cure. It is the cure 100% of the time if taken as soon as you get symptoms. Dozens of antivirals can treat this disease if they are given early after symptom onset. Ivermectin is the best and it is cheap. It will render masks unnecessary. All these deaths are unnecessary. It is safer than the vaccine and it hasnt kill a single person in 50 years.

The people pushing vaccines and masks have no respect for human life. Everyone can be cured for 6 dollars. This is only a dangerous illness if you dont get antivirals early on.

Ive asked you this before I think. Can you buy ivermectin for horses off amazon where you are?

As Ive said, this silliness comes from a misunderstanding of how viral infections and antivirals work. I didnt understand those processes well a year ago.

It doesnt matter if you inhale a few virions from the woman at the checkout queue. It matters if you spend 20 minutes in a car with a highly contagious person with the windows rolled up. It matters if you spend all day in the same office with a contagious person. The first example will not lead to a severe case. It is the number of viruses you inhale that determins severity.

Ivermectin will surpress viral growth for the first week of symptoms until your body produces enough antibodies. No one has to get the severe form of the illness. Its just a regular cold virus that can replicate very fast in the first week or two of infection, before your antibodies kick in. It can be killed by the same antivirals that kill a whole bunch of other viruses.

And in case you didnt know, there are dozens of antivirals that will kill pretty much all cold and flu viruses too. They cured the flu a long time ago. They just forgot to tell you.

They want to make money on vaccines and new patented drugs. Picking on the peasants is just a perk.

[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 3 yearsApr 10, 2021 02:17:43 ago (+0/-0)

"My Dear Helena", he said, trying not to sound patronising but the look she shot him said 'patronising bastard'. "Come and sit on this log and let's talk. In life, we tend to trust the experts and these days even witchdoctors need to get a university degree which is to say we are largely justified in placing our faith in experts. But, yes, even the experts get it wrong but invariably they get it right. You trust experts. You trust the traffic engineers to get it right when they build roads and intersections with traffic lights that will flash green only when the opposing traffic lights are red. And so it is with the Covid and why we should place our faith in that marvellous Italian-American, Tony Fauci. So what type of science degree do you have?

[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 22:21:39 ago (+3/-4)*

First of all, never assume that whatever the niggerfaggots around here say is true, think for your self. Do your own research.

I agree with them on a lot of issues and consider myself red pilled. But I always took this disease seriously. It was engineered by a bunch of chinks in a lab and it was engineered to be bad— it increased the US death rate by 20% in the last 12 months.

Covid is obviously worse for older people but also for people that have inhaled a large amount of virus. That is the difference between a mild and severe case for many people. Spending a lot of time in an unventilated room with an infectious person will result in a more severe case, even for a younger person.

Early antivirals is the right thing to do, they absolutely help, trust me on this. Its important to start them as early as possible. hydroxycholoquine and azithromycin are good to use ( not too familiar with arbidol) although HCQ + AZ is a bit hard on the heart for older people so some caution must be used. Hopefully you and your mom are on some sort of antiviral now? What are you taking?

The best antiviral is ivermectin and its also the easiest to get. Ivermectin oral paste for horses

https://www.amazon.com/ivermectin-horses/s?k=ivermectin+for+horses

This antiparasitic horse medicine also happens to be an antiviral that they are having the most success with against covid. Its cheap and effective and extremely safe but most doctors in the US are not prescribing it.

C19ivermectin.com

The oral horse paste has the same concentration pound for pound that is dosed for humans. If you buy one tube of Durvet Ivermectin for horses (1.87%) it has one dose for a large horse or about 7 or 8 doses for a human. You just measure out your body weight on the tube plunger to the nearest 50 lbs and that equals one dose. Take one dose a day for 2 to 5 days. The longer you wait after symptoms appear the more doses you are likely to need. It is a very safe medicine to take if you take a dose a day for a week. It wont kill or seriously harm you even if you take 5 or 10 times the recommended dose. There are a few mild to moderate drug interactions listed for ivermectin which can be pretty much ignored if you are only taking a dose a day.

Order this medicine right now off amazon. You could even try to get it from Tractor Supply Co or a livestock supply store nearby. If you still dont have symptoms when you get it, take one preventitive dose anyway. Ive taken it. My family members have taken it.

Make sure you and your mom are taking high doses of vitamins C , D , and zinc

C: 5000 to 8000 mg a day or more ( might get diarhea with higher doses.)

D: 10,000 to 15,000 IU of Vit D a day

Zinc: 60 to 100 mg a day (spread out to avoid stomach upset.)

Very safe doses to take for several weeks. Very important to get high level of these vitamins.

If its easier you could just order on of these and take several times the recommended dose:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08D61CV4X/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=A2MEPKRIMHMSD9&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Complex-Vitamin-Packaging/dp/B07Q3SWL3X

You can buy Pepsid (heartburn medicine) and take up to 12 pills (20mg) a day safely for covid. It wont fight the virus but it will help lung inflamation. Start by giving your mom 6 pills a day.

The vaccine wont really help you for a week or two if you get it today. If you do decide to get it, I recommend getting only a single shot. That will be 85 or 90% effective and if you do get it, the case will be mild. The second shot will only improve your immunity a little bit more and more than doubles your risk of having a bad reaction. I can explain the risks of the vaccine in more detail if you want me too. I do not think the vaccine is worth the risk for younger people especially women, those with severe allergy or family history of any autoimmune disease.

A better choice, as long as you are not pregnant, is to take low dose ivermectin as prophylaxis. Basically the equivalent of 1/4 dose once a week is safe to take long term and will work as well as a vaccine. If you are interested I can show you the studies and explain how to take the right amount. You could also try drinking ~ liter a day of good quality tonic water, but the ivermectin is way easier.

For now get the ivermectin and give it to your mom for 2 to 5 days and take at least one preventative dose if you still dont have symptoms. Lots of other people are using the horse paste product if you check around the web. You can drink as much tonic water as you can stand as well if you dont have any other drugs.

Rinse your mouth and nose out with a saline solution or some 60 proof alcohol. It will kill off the viruses replicating there. Your mom can do this even though shes already sick. It will help. To make saline boil or microwave 1 cup of water with one teaspoon of salt. You can snort it with a straw when it cools.

I can tell you I researched the shit out of this virus too and I researched medical journals that have been publishing studies on how to treat viral infections with antivirals for decades. This bug is not that different. Its just bad because it replicates really fast. It can be killed with antivirals pretty well when the viral levels are still low early on.

Good luck with your mom and dad and grandma and ask me any questions you want because I know my coronachan.

[ - ] heygeorge -1 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 20:53:56 ago (+2/-3)

You’re probably wrong about a lot of stuff. And a lot of stuff on Voat simply isn’t true. That’s just how it is. The majority of the content here is propaganda.

Sorry for your family. They will probably get better eventually, even if they get very sick.

I am fairly certain I had it (it was so early that getting tested was difficult) and it was only really bad for two days. I had trouble catching my breath for a few weeks. So if you are not so old (you don’t have kids so you must not be) you are very very very likely not to experience severe disease.

Retards like blackguard19 from the old site will spout over and over how it’s not real. But an additional 500,000+ Americans died last year than expected. That’s not nothing. Another retard in this thread says masks don’t do anything, yet somehow there was almost no ‘flu season’ this year. Masks and social distancing must be doing something.

Don’t believe everything you read. Don’t even believe me if you don’t want. I know a fair amount of people who got really sick from it, and a bunch more with mild illness. But I don’t personally know anyone who died.

I’m sure some Voaters will pray for you guys.

[ - ] cyclops1771 5 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 21:55:03 ago (+5/-0)

If an additional 500,00 Americans died last year, then why was the fatality total basically the same - roughly 2.8 million people - in both years? Shouldn't we have seen 3.3 million dead in 2020?

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 22:52:52 ago (+1/-1)

3.4 million is how many people died in 2020. Its on the CDC site. Deaths went up 15% from 2019. Check the CDC provisional death coounts page.

[ - ] cyclops1771 1 point 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 00:29:27 ago (+1/-0)

It was sitting at 2.4 Nov 16th. Granted, there are laggards, so that number was probably closer to 2.5-2.6 million, but the deaths were coming in around 60k/week, TOTAL, which is almost standard - in that 55k-65k / week. Multiplied by 6.5 weeks, and you are projecting another 380k, so right at that 2.8, 2.9 million mark.

If that 3.4 is right, that means that the death rate skyrocketed to 123-138k / week the last 45 days of the year. Even their own charts don't show that. Which means they had to go restate OTHER months - but why?

Weird. One thing I know about statistics is that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Even assuming that all the data on Nov 16th was missing 2 full weeks of reporting, that stil leaves 900k deaths in the last 8.5 weeks, - more than 100k per week, and the graphs don't show that.

[ - ] i_hate_sodomites 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 9, 2021 12:51:59 ago (+0/-0)

The dude you're replying to shills for the narrative. The fact that the CDC death count jumped a half-million right before the end of the year due to "errors" doesn't trip his radar at all. That only happens with moronic sheep and shills.

[ - ] cyclops1771 0 points 3 yearsApr 9, 2021 15:25:25 ago (+0/-0)

The CDC numbers that show up today 1) don't show the weekly totals, only a graph version, and 2) even states "This report has been corrected" right on it.

[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.1 yearsApr 8, 2021 22:54:28 ago (+1/-1)*

Where are you getting your information?

https://public.tableau.com/vizql/w/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_04072021/v/WeeklyExcessDeaths/tempfile/sessions/26A6D928A4B34DA0987DA4ED45FC1C61-0:0/?key=2482365738&keepfile=yes&attachment=yes&download=true

That link may self destruct. EDIT: That link wants you to download it. I just chose to ‘view in browser’.

You can look at this, instead, if that won’t load.

As a result of improvements in timeliness and the pressing need for updated, quality data during the global COVID-19 pandemic, NVSS expanded provisional data releases to produce near real-time U.S. mortality data.* This report presents an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020, including the first ranking of leading causes of death. In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm