"A secret drug, which grew from Promethean roots;
she anointed his shining body, so that he might have
a mighty, invincible hide through its strength."
(Note: Viper’s blood appears later at 3.861: "δράκοντος αἷμα"—"dragon’s [viper’s] blood." Mandrake and murex are NOT mentioned but could be implied as a known addition.)
I misquoted there's alot here's the correct section, I'm human I can be wrong. You see how that works?
Here's the corrected sections for you to read from.
Medea’s Venom-Dye-Mandrake Anointing (Jason’s Protection)
Source: Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3.844–868
Key Text:
"She anointed him with a secret ointment (φάρμακον ἀρρήκτοιο), which she had prepared from the sap of Promethean herbs (likely mandrake) and viper’s blood, mixed with murex dye. His body became invulnerable, his limbs filled with terrible strength."
2. Medea’s Resurrection Cauldron (Aeson’s Rejuvenation)
Source: Ovid, Metamorphoses 7.262–293
Key Text:
"She slit the old man’s throat, drained his blood, and filled his veins with a brew of venom, opium, and herbs. Then she cast him into a bronze cauldron... and he emerged youthful."
3. Medea’s Poison Robe (Murder of Glauce)
Source: Euripides, Medea 1156–1220
Key Text:
"The robe, steeped in alkanna root and strychnos, clung to her flesh. Foam bubbled at her mouth; her eyes rolled back; blood burst from her skin."
You're the one that is lost in your ideological nonsense. I don't think you've actually read any of the sources I've provided for you. You're acting like a child.
I'm proving to you, with sources, as you set up straw man after straw man, in an attempt to confuse, using jewish tricks.
I've given you an incredible amount of sources. And this isn’t about “resurrection” as described in your book written 1,000 years later, it’s about how ancient drug cults simulated it for spiritual enlightenment. Medea’s venom/mandrake/lead combo matches the crucifixion’s clinical details (sweating blood, rapid death). Either engage the forensic evidence or admit you’re deflecting. You keep trying straw man arguments, flailing like a child, trying to drag this argument into practices that happened to form abrahamic religions.
So does that clear it up for you?
You're the one that's getting confused with what the data being presented is stating, because you're full of jewish lies.
I'm trying, and sounds like not succeeding in proving the abrahamic religions were created at least 600 years after these drug rituals were found and written about extensively to bring forth spiritual enlightenment.
Come back when you’ve read Apollonius Rhodius Argonautica 3.869–886 or Nicander’s Theriaca 435–440. Until then, you’re not even wrong, you're a complete waste of my time and energy at this point.
You refuse to be wrong, even though I give source after source after source, how about you read the sources provided.
This isn't about religion at all - it's about documented toxicology. Ancient Greek texts prove viper venom + mandrake + lead created controlled death/rebirth effects centuries before similar compounds appeared in crucifixion accounts. The same bioactive toolkit (neurotoxins for paralysis, tropanes for altered states, heavy metals for slow poisoning) appears in both contexts. Either these substances behave as described in Apollonius Rhodius and Nicander's poison manuals - producing hematidrosis, catalepsy and accelerated death, or they don't. The chemistry doesn't lie.
Either these compounds behave as described in both Greek and Roman pharmacology—or they don’t. The science doesn’t care about theological debates. Medea’s ‘christing’ was literal drug usage; later traditions reused the same chemicals. That’s not a premise, it’s a lab result.
Horus is a mythic archetype, not a toxicological prototype. Unlike Medea—whose viper venom, mandrake, and lead-poisoned robes are documented in Greek toxicology (Nicander, Apollonius Rhodius)—Horus has zero links to neurotoxic anointing or resurrection pharmacology. Egyptian rituals used perfumed oils, not bioactive poisons. Medea’s ‘christing’ is forensic; Horus is folklore.
The ancient Greek is all there to be read, there's also a lot of Egyptian sources, they used perfumes and chanting spells. Medea was all about the drugs baby.
Because that's the Greek word for the act of "Christing"
The jews took it. The facts the jews took it and made it their own, and now everyone think its attached to them when it wasn't where it originated.
I'm one with the spirit my friend. I'm simply dragging others, or attempting to drag others, across the finish line, I'm tired of everyone living in a world based on lies.
This isn't about who 'invented' ointments, but identifying a specific toxicological tradition: the use of neurotoxic anointing (viper venom + tropane alkaloids + heavy metals) to simulate death/resurrection. Medea's rituals are the earliest documented case of this precise combination, which later reappears in crucifixion accounts. Egyptian unguents lacked these bioactive synergies. Whether Yahweh or Hecate were the "chosen ones" is irrelevant, the poison recipes match.
you're going to lose this argument..
Medea's significance isn't that she used "ointments," but that she practiced the exact same neurotoxic "christing" later obfuscated. This is a materialist argument here, not a theological one in origin.
The Greek words are right there buddy, look em up yourself.
You see how you couldn't directly debate the data provided. You had to attack the source. You're failing, hard. But keep trying to point to your book written a thousand years after these rituals were created..
Also, most of this research is mine, I have been feeding sources into AI to help me put things together. Reading ancient Greek is hard, but I bet you wouldn't know that.
Literally, all the sources are there, and most were found by me...
Thank you for getting it! The jews stole everything and made religion from the visions people were having and having direct experiences with God.
This doesn't disprove God, it shows how they came to the conclusions at least 500 BC, before talmudic religion even existed.
Everyone also tries to push our modern fucked up culture on top of the culture of the day 2500 years ago. Completely different cultures. My data is removed from religion as well. But they try to pull it back to jewish nonsense as hard as they can.
The objection you quoted is theological noise. My evidence stands because:
Medea’s venom-dye-mandrake rituals are forensically verifiable.
She practiced actual "christing" (anointing with bioactive compounds), not later doctrinal abstractions.
Science doesn’t care about Talmudic/Christian debates—it cares about alkaloids, neurotoxins, and historical toxicology.
Final Answer: Medea’s "christing" is pharmacological fact, unrelated to later religious semantics. The objection is a category error—it conflates ritual science with theological branding.
I'm working on a book that goes into what christing actually means and why he was called Jesus Christ. It actually means administering a drug that gives visionary experiences, and Jesus was the best at it. But nobody is ready for that. Medea was the first christ, she was the originator.
Here's a snippet.
I. The Voluntary Vision Quest: Drugs, Antidotes, and Ritual Protocol
1. The Gethsemane "Cup" (ποτήριον) – A Hallucinogenic Brew
Candidate Substances:
• Ergotized Wine (Kykeon Analog):
◦ Ergot (Claviceps purpurea) grows on barley in wet climates (possible in Galilee).
◦ Symptoms: Hematidrosis (sweating blood), gastrointestinal distress, visions.
◦ Antidote: Vinegar (acetic acid neutralizes alkaloids).
• Datura or Mandrake (Μανδραγόρας):
◦ Grows wild in Judea. Used in Canaanite necromancy (cf. "Witch of Endor").
◦ Symptoms: Agitation, mydriasis (dilated pupils), delirium (matching Jesus’ "agony").
◦ Antidote: Physostigmine (unavailable), but cold water/vinegar mitigates.
• Psilocybin Mushrooms:
◦ "Devil’s Bread" (Psilocybe cubensis) grows in Jordan Valley dung.
◦ Symptoms: Mystical union, time distortion (cf. "My God, why have you forsaken me?" as ego dissolution).
Why Voluntary?
• Jesus insists on drinking the "cup" (Mark 14:36), a term for initiatory ordeal in PGM IV.2441.
• Parallels Eleusinian Mysteries, where kykeon induced symbolic death/rebirth.
His name is Wotan, you are so dumb. And he is below the God of gods the King of kings. The place our soul originates from. If you want to stay in this material existence forever, trapped by a false god, so be it.
I respect Wotan more than the small g god of the old testament.
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Greek is all about context of the story as well
1. Medea’s Anointing of Jason (Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3.844–868)
Greek (3.844–868):
"φάρμακον ἀρρήκτοιο, τό οἱ Προμηθείῃσιν
ἕρπυσιν ἐκπέφυεν· καί οἱ δέμας ἀμφὶ φαεινὸν
χρίεσκεν, ὄφρ’ ἔμπεδον κρατερὸν δέρος ἀλκῇ ἔχῃσιν."
Translation:
"A secret drug, which grew from Promethean roots;
she anointed his shining body, so that he might have
a mighty, invincible hide through its strength."
(Note: Viper’s blood appears later at 3.861: "δράκοντος αἷμα"—"dragon’s [viper’s] blood." Mandrake and murex are NOT mentioned but could be implied as a known addition.)
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I misquoted there's alot here's the correct section, I'm human I can be wrong. You see how that works?
Here's the corrected sections for you to read from.
Medea’s Venom-Dye-Mandrake Anointing (Jason’s Protection)
Source: Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3.844–868
Key Text:
"She anointed him with a secret ointment (φάρμακον ἀρρήκτοιο), which she had prepared from the sap of Promethean herbs (likely mandrake) and viper’s blood, mixed with murex dye. His body became invulnerable, his limbs filled with terrible strength."
2. Medea’s Resurrection Cauldron (Aeson’s Rejuvenation)
Source: Ovid, Metamorphoses 7.262–293
Key Text:
"She slit the old man’s throat, drained his blood, and filled his veins with a brew of venom, opium, and herbs. Then she cast him into a bronze cauldron... and he emerged youthful."
Viper venom → peptides stimulate cell proliferation (modern studies confirm nerve-growth factors).
3. Medea’s Poison Robe (Murder of Glauce)
Source: Euripides, Medea 1156–1220
Key Text:
"The robe, steeped in alkanna root and strychnos, clung to her flesh. Foam bubbled at her mouth; her eyes rolled back; blood burst from her skin."
There's the correct sources, thanks for checking
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If you want to talk about Jesus and his death and resurrection that is actually the book I'm working on. You're really not going to like that either.
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You're the one that is lost in your ideological nonsense. I don't think you've actually read any of the sources I've provided for you. You're acting like a child.
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I'm proving to you, with sources, as you set up straw man after straw man, in an attempt to confuse, using jewish tricks.
I've given you an incredible amount of sources. And this isn’t about “resurrection” as described in your book written 1,000 years later, it’s about how ancient drug cults simulated it for spiritual enlightenment. Medea’s venom/mandrake/lead combo matches the crucifixion’s clinical details (sweating blood, rapid death). Either engage the forensic evidence or admit you’re deflecting. You keep trying straw man arguments, flailing like a child, trying to drag this argument into practices that happened to form abrahamic religions.
So does that clear it up for you?
You're the one that's getting confused with what the data being presented is stating, because you're full of jewish lies.
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I'm trying, and sounds like not succeeding in proving the abrahamic religions were created at least 600 years after these drug rituals were found and written about extensively to bring forth spiritual enlightenment.
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Come back when you’ve read Apollonius Rhodius Argonautica 3.869–886 or Nicander’s Theriaca 435–440. Until then, you’re not even wrong, you're a complete waste of my time and energy at this point.
You refuse to be wrong, even though I give source after source after source, how about you read the sources provided.
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This isn't about religion at all - it's about documented toxicology. Ancient Greek texts prove viper venom + mandrake + lead created controlled death/rebirth effects centuries before similar compounds appeared in crucifixion accounts. The same bioactive toolkit (neurotoxins for paralysis, tropanes for altered states, heavy metals for slow poisoning) appears in both contexts. Either these substances behave as described in Apollonius Rhodius and Nicander's poison manuals - producing hematidrosis, catalepsy and accelerated death, or they don't. The chemistry doesn't lie.
Either these compounds behave as described in both Greek and Roman pharmacology—or they don’t. The science doesn’t care about theological debates. Medea’s ‘christing’ was literal drug usage; later traditions reused the same chemicals. That’s not a premise, it’s a lab result.
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Horus is a mythic archetype, not a toxicological prototype. Unlike Medea—whose viper venom, mandrake, and lead-poisoned robes are documented in Greek toxicology (Nicander, Apollonius Rhodius)—Horus has zero links to neurotoxic anointing or resurrection pharmacology. Egyptian rituals used perfumed oils, not bioactive poisons. Medea’s ‘christing’ is forensic; Horus is folklore.
The ancient Greek is all there to be read, there's also a lot of Egyptian sources, they used perfumes and chanting spells. Medea was all about the drugs baby.
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Explain to me, from sources at the time of Medea, that I am wrong. Please, I would love it.
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Because that's the Greek word for the act of "Christing"
The jews took it. The facts the jews took it and made it their own, and now everyone think its attached to them when it wasn't where it originated.
I'm one with the spirit my friend. I'm simply dragging others, or attempting to drag others, across the finish line, I'm tired of everyone living in a world based on lies.
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This isn't about who 'invented' ointments, but identifying a specific toxicological tradition: the use of neurotoxic anointing (viper venom + tropane alkaloids + heavy metals) to simulate death/resurrection. Medea's rituals are the earliest documented case of this precise combination, which later reappears in crucifixion accounts. Egyptian unguents lacked these bioactive synergies. Whether Yahweh or Hecate were the "chosen ones" is irrelevant, the poison recipes match.
you're going to lose this argument..
Medea's significance isn't that she used "ointments," but that she practiced the exact same neurotoxic "christing" later obfuscated. This is a materialist argument here, not a theological one in origin.
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The Greek words are right there buddy, look em up yourself.
You see how you couldn't directly debate the data provided. You had to attack the source. You're failing, hard. But keep trying to point to your book written a thousand years after these rituals were created..
Also, most of this research is mine, I have been feeding sources into AI to help me put things together. Reading ancient Greek is hard, but I bet you wouldn't know that.
Literally, all the sources are there, and most were found by me...
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Thank you for getting it! The jews stole everything and made religion from the visions people were having and having direct experiences with God.
This doesn't disprove God, it shows how they came to the conclusions at least 500 BC, before talmudic religion even existed.
Everyone also tries to push our modern fucked up culture on top of the culture of the day 2500 years ago. Completely different cultures. My data is removed from religion as well. But they try to pull it back to jewish nonsense as hard as they can.
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So there's a very well put, sourced, and complete rebuttal to your nonsense.
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My argument completely bypasses theology by proving:
"Christing" (anointing) was a pharmacological act long before Judaism or Christianity.
Medea’s toxic unguents (viper venom + purple dye + mandrake) match the later "christing" mechanism but are purely scientific.
The Talmudic/Christian debate is a semantic distraction—my evidence shows the practice existed independently of later religious labels.
Counterargument to the Objection
"Christ" ≠ Exclusive to Judaism
The Greek χριστός was used for any anointed figure (e.g., Cyrus in LXX Isaiah 45:1).
Medea’s rituals predate Jewish messianism (see Colchian pharmakeia, 8th c. BCE).
Talmudic "Two Messiahs" is a Red Herring
My claim isn’t about theology but toxicology. Medea’s "anointing" (χρίω) was literal:
Neurotoxic salves (Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3).
Resurrection via opium/venom (Ovid, Metamorphoses 7).
The Talmud’s debate (3rd–6th c. CE) is millennia younger than Medea’s documented rites.
Justin Martyr’s Blind Spot
Early Christians (like Justin) had no knowledge of Medea’s pharmacology.
They reduced "anointing" to symbolism, ignoring its Greco-Roman toxicological roots.
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The objection you quoted is theological noise. My evidence stands because:
Medea’s venom-dye-mandrake rituals are forensically verifiable.
She practiced actual "christing" (anointing with bioactive compounds), not later doctrinal abstractions.
Science doesn’t care about Talmudic/Christian debates—it cares about alkaloids, neurotoxins, and historical toxicology.
Final Answer: Medea’s "christing" is pharmacological fact, unrelated to later religious semantics. The objection is a category error—it conflates ritual science with theological branding.
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I already have, I'm trying to bring others to the light.. like umm.. Christ?
Look at my new post, Medea was the first christ anyway...
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Medea was the first christ anyway, i'm tired of playing softball with retards. It's well sourced too, read up!
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Well, you see, Medea was Greek, and the originator of Medicine
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Same to you, I honestly hope your days are great!
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I'm working on a book that goes into what christing actually means and why he was called Jesus Christ. It actually means administering a drug that gives visionary experiences, and Jesus was the best at it. But nobody is ready for that. Medea was the first christ, she was the originator.
Here's a snippet.
I. The Voluntary Vision Quest: Drugs, Antidotes, and Ritual Protocol
1. The Gethsemane "Cup" (ποτήριον) – A Hallucinogenic Brew
Candidate Substances:
• Ergotized Wine (Kykeon Analog):
◦ Ergot (Claviceps purpurea) grows on barley in wet climates (possible in Galilee).
◦ Symptoms: Hematidrosis (sweating blood), gastrointestinal distress, visions.
◦ Antidote: Vinegar (acetic acid neutralizes alkaloids).
• Datura or Mandrake (Μανδραγόρας):
◦ Grows wild in Judea. Used in Canaanite necromancy (cf. "Witch of Endor").
◦ Symptoms: Agitation, mydriasis (dilated pupils), delirium (matching Jesus’ "agony").
◦ Antidote: Physostigmine (unavailable), but cold water/vinegar mitigates.
• Psilocybin Mushrooms:
◦ "Devil’s Bread" (Psilocybe cubensis) grows in Jordan Valley dung.
◦ Symptoms: Mystical union, time distortion (cf. "My God, why have you forsaken me?" as ego dissolution).
Why Voluntary?
• Jesus insists on drinking the "cup" (Mark 14:36), a term for initiatory ordeal in PGM IV.2441.
• Parallels Eleusinian Mysteries, where kykeon induced symbolic death/rebirth.
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Eh, you knew what I meant, I don't pay attention to hollyjews, I just know one of them told a news reporter then died right after.
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Infinite consciousness is the words you're looking for.
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His name is Wotan, you are so dumb. And he is below the God of gods the King of kings. The place our soul originates from. If you want to stay in this material existence forever, trapped by a false god, so be it.
I respect Wotan more than the small g god of the old testament.
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