- White people would be protesting the school's history curriculum because of how it was teaching hate.
- The holocaust, transatlantic slave trade, colonialism, every other historical claim that is trotted out to incite hatred towards whites.
- All of it is a set of conspiracy theories propagated by hate groups to stir up hatred towards white people.
- We talk about how unacceptable it is to spread hateful theories about white people in order to defame them.
- We demand that the curriculum be recalled and all mention of any event that could be used to justify violence against whites be banned
- Any truthfulness behind the claims is a sidestepped issue, the people and groups who popularize these events are hateful because they do so. Why would anyone mention anything about these events unless they were trying to incite violence against white people?
- "White people have been victimized for centuries!" proceeds to list off all the times when a nonwhite has done something to white people throughout history, the one-sided nature of this cherry-picked listing of events giving the impression that whites are history's victims
- We talk about ourselves being "strong and resilient" and being "people, just like you" in order to reduce the level of the discussion down to cold harsh cruelty vs warm babytalk sentimentality.
- We characterize the other side's position as being irrationally in favor of killing white people and denying them their human rights, they are just on the side of hate, nothing else.
- Basically, we watch and listen to what the jews say and we simply make some substitutions, then push our cause in the same way they do.
Then your beliefs are in contradiction with what the Bible says.
"if God is the Creator of all things and God's plan is divine, your suggestion, that man can decide for himself what laws to obey and know better than God, is CLEARLY wrong. As wrong as 2+2=15 is clearly wrong."
Your view of religion makes no sense, do humans have free will or do we only follow what God has planned for us?
If the latter, then maybe mankind choosing their own moral path apart from what God says is a part of his divine plan, in which case all moral decisions are a part of God's morality, even those who sacrifice babies to moloch are acting within God's inescapable moral framework, it is done because God willed it or because he allowed it within the context of his plan.
If the former, then God's Divine Plan is little more than one of many possible suggested paths that we could choose to take, we could follow God's suggestions, or we could not, t5he fact that he's the all powerful all knowing creator of the universe only holds any special authority if we choose to value it as giving him some special consideration as such.
A college degree doesn't give any sort of special consideration to your words unless the listener thinks it does, a bear, for example, won't give a flying fuck about it. What if God changed his commandments such that you'd be immoral not to sacrifice a baby to moloch every saturday night? What if God was successfully usurped by Satan and now he is the most powerful thing in the world? What if a SuperGod appeared who was the one that created God, and he started giving commandments?
All are possibilities that aren't too extreme within the context of the Biblical canon: God did change his mind many times in the Bible as he did with Abraham, Noah, and Jesus, so why couldn't he do it again? There were people who thought they were worshipping the true creator of the universe, but were deceived into thinking that a false god was the true God, couldn't we, as fallible as they were, have been deceived so as well? Lucifer led a rebellion to usurp God, why would he unless he knew God could possibly be usurped? The Babylonian's tower was built only to communicate directly with God, not to usurp him, but had made God afraid of the possibility of his usurpation at the hands of humans, so he collapsed it and confused their tongues. Why would he do so in fear of a threat that wasn't even a possibility?
The idea of God being all powerful and all knowing isn't something we know for sure, the theologians have done a better job at convincing us of this than the bible did. The parts we have that are used to justify this claim are quotes from God himself as he brags about having great power and knowledge, but this is him boasting in order to intimidate or humble those he stands before, but we see evidence of clear limits to the power and knowledge of God, as early as Genesis we see things happening that God doesn't want, we see him discovering these events through personal experience, as if he didn't know about them beforehand, we see God say things that turn out not to be true, and we see the limits to his powers in that he speaks of things he cannot change (such as the events of the original sin), and we see God express fear, he evicts Adam and Eve because he's afraid they would go on to eat of the tree of eternal life, and then nothing will be restricted from them, he also gets angry, which goes to show that he is not all powerful, and not all knowing (an all powerful all knowing being would never get so much as frustrated, since nothing is beyond his ability to repair, and nothing is a surprise to him, instead, he just punishes everyone for their disobedience, which also shows his limits, because how could his creations disobey him if he was all powerful and all knowing?).
"The whole principal that God's Law can be ignored or obeyed selectively would suggest that God might be wrong or God's law might not actually be law. This would suggest that mankind could decide, for himself, what laws to obey to the point of being in opposition to the laws of the creator."
Well, yes, that is what people do, most Christians do this, even in the course of their religious practices and observations, with so many interpretations of the Bible and God's will among denominations, and more among individual Christians, most have a selective few Biblical rules they will follow, and other they will ignore. There are many more who aren't Christian or even religious, who do make their own decisions regarding what morals they follow.
Look at the most degenerate and extreme social justice warrior leftist cuckold, and you will see that they aren't immoral (intentionally doing evil) or amoral (not caring about moral matters one way or the other) they intend to be moral, but their moral values are very different to yours, they care about nobody feelings being hurt except those who deserve to suffer, and those who deserve to suffer deserve it because of the suffering they cause to others, and also because they have it easier than others do, and that's unfair, so they can afford to suffer a bit (our race's extinction is okay because we ruled the world for so long), for them this is what justice is.
They view prejudice against anyone who isn't white (gentile) straight (acting) and male (cisgendered) as being an absolute evil, there's no questioning allowed regarding whether or not this is objectively wrong, "hate" of this kind is something they see as being at the core of all the ills of the world. It's an existential threat that must be stamped out (or at least the outward facing expressions of it must be gotten rid of).
"It also suggests that by disobeying God's law that you could receive the ability to know better than God what is good or evil. These ideals are CLEARLY wrong if God is the Creator of all things and God's plan is divine. But there you are, blatantly wrong, refusing to acknowledge it."
1. I said that the Bible clearly states that you inherently possess the ability to distinguish good from evil from birth, regardless of whether or not you've chosen to obey God's law.
2. How does God being the creator and his plan being divine lend any special status to his commands? if you don't give a fuck about is power or plan, then that has no real bearing upon the significance of it.
3. I'm not wrong, you fail to comprehend what I'm saying, you assume that the things you value are the only things one could put value upon, and in the world we exist in, where the large majority of humanity seems to value something, the idea that other things could be seen as being more important than God, even to those who believe in him, is beyond your comprehension, this despite the Bible being full of such examples.
There are other laws than those given by God, moral, and legal, and even as someone who believes the Bible to be literal truth, you can choose to put any of those laws above that given by God, this likely applies to you.
As a follower of Christ, have you cut off your hand when you got angry? have you removed your eye when you've felt lust? have you abandoned your family? have you discarded all your possessions and given away all your money? when's the last time you observed the holiday of passover? are you without sin? then why are you making judgments of others?
The very fact that you are arguing with me on the internet shows that you aren't putting the words of your lord above all else, you are putting yourself above Christ for the sake of personal convenience, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine you putting the laws of our land above the words of the holy writ.
Not that it's possible to live according to the Bible, Jesus commands you to follow the laws that preceded him, then he issues a bunch of commandments that contradict those laws, and suggests a way of living that is entirely unlivable, and would collapse any society that does follow these advisements, there's a good reason that for most Christians, all they ask is that you accept Christ as your lord and savior, and stick to SOME of the ten commandments, but for the most part stick to the laws of the land, because expecting them to genuinely use the Bible or the words of Christ as a moral or legal compass is impractical and impossible.
Paradoxical003 0 points 1.7 years ago
Then your beliefs are in contradiction with what the Bible says.
Your view of religion makes no sense, do humans have free will or do we only follow what God has planned for us?
If the latter, then maybe mankind choosing their own moral path apart from what God says is a part of his divine plan, in which case all moral decisions are a part of God's morality, even those who sacrifice babies to moloch are acting within God's inescapable moral framework, it is done because God willed it or because he allowed it within the context of his plan.
If the former, then God's Divine Plan is little more than one of many possible suggested paths that we could choose to take, we could follow God's suggestions, or we could not, t5he fact that he's the all powerful all knowing creator of the universe only holds any special authority if we choose to value it as giving him some special consideration as such.
A college degree doesn't give any sort of special consideration to your words unless the listener thinks it does, a bear, for example, won't give a flying fuck about it. What if God changed his commandments such that you'd be immoral not to sacrifice a baby to moloch every saturday night? What if God was successfully usurped by Satan and now he is the most powerful thing in the world? What if a SuperGod appeared who was the one that created God, and he started giving commandments?
All are possibilities that aren't too extreme within the context of the Biblical canon: God did change his mind many times in the Bible as he did with Abraham, Noah, and Jesus, so why couldn't he do it again? There were people who thought they were worshipping the true creator of the universe, but were deceived into thinking that a false god was the true God, couldn't we, as fallible as they were, have been deceived so as well? Lucifer led a rebellion to usurp God, why would he unless he knew God could possibly be usurped? The Babylonian's tower was built only to communicate directly with God, not to usurp him, but had made God afraid of the possibility of his usurpation at the hands of humans, so he collapsed it and confused their tongues. Why would he do so in fear of a threat that wasn't even a possibility?
The idea of God being all powerful and all knowing isn't something we know for sure, the theologians have done a better job at convincing us of this than the bible did.
The parts we have that are used to justify this claim are quotes from God himself as he brags about having great power and knowledge, but this is him boasting in order to intimidate or humble those he stands before, but we see evidence of clear limits to the power and knowledge of God, as early as Genesis we see things happening that God doesn't want, we see him discovering these events through personal experience, as if he didn't know about them beforehand, we see God say things that turn out not to be true, and we see the limits to his powers in that he speaks of things he cannot change (such as the events of the original sin), and we see God express fear, he evicts Adam and Eve because he's afraid they would go on to eat of the tree of eternal life, and then nothing will be restricted from them, he also gets angry, which goes to show that he is not all powerful, and not all knowing (an all powerful all knowing being would never get so much as frustrated, since nothing is beyond his ability to repair, and nothing is a surprise to him, instead, he just punishes everyone for their disobedience, which also shows his limits, because how could his creations disobey him if he was all powerful and all knowing?).
Well, yes, that is what people do, most Christians do this, even in the course of their religious practices and observations, with so many interpretations of the Bible and God's will among denominations, and more among individual Christians, most have a selective few Biblical rules they will follow, and other they will ignore. There are many more who aren't Christian or even religious, who do make their own decisions regarding what morals they follow.
Look at the most degenerate and extreme social justice warrior leftist cuckold, and you will see that they aren't immoral (intentionally doing evil) or amoral (not caring about moral matters one way or the other) they intend to be moral, but their moral values are very different to yours, they care about nobody feelings being hurt except those who deserve to suffer, and those who deserve to suffer deserve it because of the suffering they cause to others, and also because they have it easier than others do, and that's unfair, so they can afford to suffer a bit (our race's extinction is okay because we ruled the world for so long), for them this is what justice is.
They view prejudice against anyone who isn't white (gentile) straight (acting) and male (cisgendered) as being an absolute evil, there's no questioning allowed regarding whether or not this is objectively wrong, "hate" of this kind is something they see as being at the core of all the ills of the world. It's an existential threat that must be stamped out (or at least the outward facing expressions of it must be gotten rid of).
1. I said that the Bible clearly states that you inherently possess the ability to distinguish good from evil from birth, regardless of whether or not you've chosen to obey God's law.
2. How does God being the creator and his plan being divine lend any special status to his commands? if you don't give a fuck about is power or plan, then that has no real bearing upon the significance of it.
3. I'm not wrong, you fail to comprehend what I'm saying, you assume that the things you value are the only things one could put value upon, and in the world we exist in, where the large majority of humanity seems to value something, the idea that other things could be seen as being more important than God, even to those who believe in him, is beyond your comprehension, this despite the Bible being full of such examples.
There are other laws than those given by God, moral, and legal, and even as someone who believes the Bible to be literal truth, you can choose to put any of those laws above that given by God, this likely applies to you.
As a follower of Christ, have you cut off your hand when you got angry? have you removed your eye when you've felt lust? have you abandoned your family? have you discarded all your possessions and given away all your money? when's the last time you observed the holiday of passover? are you without sin? then why are you making judgments of others?
The very fact that you are arguing with me on the internet shows that you aren't putting the words of your lord above all else, you are putting yourself above Christ for the sake of personal convenience, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine you putting the laws of our land above the words of the holy writ.
Not that it's possible to live according to the Bible, Jesus commands you to follow the laws that preceded him, then he issues a bunch of commandments that contradict those laws, and suggests a way of living that is entirely unlivable, and would collapse any society that does follow these advisements, there's a good reason that for most Christians, all they ask is that you accept Christ as your lord and savior, and stick to SOME of the ten commandments, but for the most part stick to the laws of the land, because expecting them to genuinely use the Bible or the words of Christ as a moral or legal compass is impractical and impossible.