You just got finished telling me I was wrong for doubting oral tradition on which the OT is based
Your memory serves you wrong. I was critical of you dubbing the whole OT as intentional propaganda, acknowledging that (just like hadith) we should instead be more careful when dealing with it. https://files.catbox.moe/oqndrk.png You call me biased, dear Hel, but what does that make you when you so confidently quote hadith books as evidence for Muhammad's crimes? Actually, you are lucky, i just remembered having written an article on this particular topic. https://medium.com/@Eliack_88/political-bias-in-the-hadith-literature-b4f4eea31e38 . To explain further: There was a pissing context between Sunnis and Shias who would each try to exalt their own respective figures. I grew up in a Shia family and was bombarded with countless hadith about the virtues of Ali. Likewise Sunni sources contain thousands of made up hadiths about the virtues of Aisha (most of which just happens to be narrated by her nephew named Hisham). These elevations extend to their age as well. Ali was 7 years old when he was admitted to Muhammad's household, a fact which Shias brag about to this day. So they dragged Aisha's age down to 6 and likewise brag about this (coincidentally also narrated by the same guy) even though plenty of sources demonstrate that she was an adult (recall my previous article, she was likely 17 when engaged and 19 when her father sent her to Muhammad's house). Do you want me to quote more blatantly political hadith? Or how about "sahih" hadith from sources like Bukhari which you would never accept, to show you how unreliable and absurd most of these are?
talks about polygyny
Why did you bring this up though. I thought we were discussing the history and reliability of hadith :|
youre picking and choosing. Christians do the same thing— ignore the morally detestable behaviors of the bible
Which detestable side of Quran do i ignore? I find it very telling that non-Muslims always try to attack Islam through hadiths aka rumors which even Western academics consider to be largely spurious. You wanna start a new topic, Hel? Quran has 6k+ verses, see how many detestable verses you can bring!
Your ancestors were conquered and forced to convert on threat of death
No? Arabs never managed to subdue the Turks, it was the other way around. We sent them with their tail between their legs, then conquered their lands and established our dynasties above them (Mamluks, Seljuks, Ottomans, Safavids, etc). Then a mix of factors (exposure, practical benefits, political strategy and spiritual resonance) convinced us to convert to Islam and become its main propagators.
Eliack 0 points 1 week ago
Your memory serves you wrong. I was critical of you dubbing the whole OT as intentional propaganda, acknowledging that (just like hadith) we should instead be more careful when dealing with it.
https://files.catbox.moe/oqndrk.png
You call me biased, dear Hel, but what does that make you when you so confidently quote hadith books as evidence for Muhammad's crimes? Actually, you are lucky, i just remembered having written an article on this particular topic. https://medium.com/@Eliack_88/political-bias-in-the-hadith-literature-b4f4eea31e38 . To explain further: There was a pissing context between Sunnis and Shias who would each try to exalt their own respective figures. I grew up in a Shia family and was bombarded with countless hadith about the virtues of Ali. Likewise Sunni sources contain thousands of made up hadiths about the virtues of Aisha (most of which just happens to be narrated by her nephew named Hisham). These elevations extend to their age as well. Ali was 7 years old when he was admitted to Muhammad's household, a fact which Shias brag about to this day. So they dragged Aisha's age down to 6 and likewise brag about this (coincidentally also narrated by the same guy) even though plenty of sources demonstrate that she was an adult (recall my previous article, she was likely 17 when engaged and 19 when her father sent her to Muhammad's house). Do you want me to quote more blatantly political hadith? Or how about "sahih" hadith from sources like Bukhari which you would never accept, to show you how unreliable and absurd most of these are?
Why did you bring this up though. I thought we were discussing the history and reliability of hadith :|
Which detestable side of Quran do i ignore? I find it very telling that non-Muslims always try to attack Islam through hadiths aka rumors which even Western academics consider to be largely spurious. You wanna start a new topic, Hel? Quran has 6k+ verses, see how many detestable verses you can bring!
No? Arabs never managed to subdue the Turks, it was the other way around. We sent them with their tail between their legs, then conquered their lands and established our dynasties above them (Mamluks, Seljuks, Ottomans, Safavids, etc). Then a mix of factors (exposure, practical benefits, political strategy and spiritual resonance) convinced us to convert to Islam and become its main propagators.