The thief on the cross showed a concession and contrition and had he been let down from the cross was in a mental alignment for works. The fact that he was physically prevented from being able to perform acts just means the "measurable outcome" works wasn't accomplished. Outcome isn't important, but the willingness to do good works is.
are you pulling this out of your ass? where do you find out that the thief wanted to do good works he just said " remember me when you come in to your kingdom" he didnt said master let do a work for you before i die on the cross. if you read the text the guy wasnt event repented of his actions he just trusted jesus that he said who he said who he was.
Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
see he ackowledged him as lord which was enough for salvation. he didnt said forgive me because i'm a thief. that's a wild interpretation that you got there from a small text
If we look at the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee, the Pharisee boasts about how many acts of works he does (fasting, etc). But the Publican tax collector beats his chest and calls out to God to give him Mercy as a sinner. Jesus explains that the Publican was justified before God where the Pharisee was not.
something similar happened but with a difference the thief knew him as LORD but didnt show contrition of any kind. just pure faith.
i know this very well but just because you repeat this like parrots doesnt mean that you are going to be heard. jesus hates repetitions
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
jesus wants you and i to speak from our hearts and to be sincere. if you dont now what to say when you pray a simple " help me God" will suffice. some protestants are guilty of this too. the magicians do formulas to cast their spells, christians should not do this we should talk from our hearts and spirits
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
If you really wanted to zero in an extreme example of works, it is the question about whether aborted babies go to heaven (they never had the opportunity for works). The Catholic response is that the lack of works and even the lack of baptism does not rule out the concept that God may offer grace to these unfortunate victims.
If you can understand that nuance about aborted babies (e.g. the concept of "opportunity" in CCC 1257), you'll see that the entire "faith & works" argument isn't the kind of hard line that you might have thought it was. Catholic doctrine is very heavily misunderstood, even by many practising Catholics.
interesting....
Does Jesus healing someone indicate that they will be saved? I'm not convinced that's necessarily the >case.
what?
Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, ''Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace''.
Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
according to this, people that got healed were also saved. remember there also many that jesus didnt heal.
the infirm on the pool of bethesda is a an example of this. there were many sick in near that pool and jesus just healed one person out of many.
so, yes i believe that healing and casting out demons meant that person was saved.
what about the woman that had the blood issue and when she touched his garments she was healed why did jesus said to her or the curved woman that couldnt stand on her own what jesus told the pharisees about her?
ohh btw, jesus didnt allowed some ppl to become his disciples. even though they begged for it.
you know why because its all about grace? he came to dispense grace and to do his father's work
OSAS is a pretty interesting point of view within protestant christianity. its not universalism per se but it tells you that once you are saved you are always saved
let me give you an example.
there was a case in the church of Corinth in which one of the members of that church was doing a terrible sin which was sleeping with his father's wife (not his natural mother) guess what the apostle paul did?
1 Corinthians Chapter 5
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus
see what paul did in this instance? he delivered the fornicator to satan so that his soul would be saved at christ return
hey if this is not OSAS then i dont know what this is!
dosvydanya_freedomz 0 points 2 months ago
are you pulling this out of your ass? where do you find out that the thief wanted to do good works he just said " remember me when you come in to your kingdom" he didnt said master let do a work for you before i die on the cross. if you read the text the guy wasnt event repented of his actions he just trusted jesus that he said who he said who he was.
see he ackowledged him as lord which was enough for salvation. he didnt said forgive me because i'm a thief. that's a wild interpretation that you got there from a small text
something similar happened but with a difference the thief knew him as LORD but didnt show contrition of any kind. just pure faith.
i know this very well but just because you repeat this like parrots doesnt mean that you are going to be heard. jesus hates repetitions
jesus wants you and i to speak from our hearts and to be sincere. if you dont now what to say when you pray a simple " help me God" will suffice. some protestants are guilty of this too. the magicians do formulas to cast their spells, christians should not do this we should talk from our hearts and spirits
interesting....
what?
according to this, people that got healed were also saved. remember there also many that jesus didnt heal.
the infirm on the pool of bethesda is a an example of this. there were many sick in near that pool and jesus just healed one person out of many.
so, yes i believe that healing and casting out demons meant that person was saved.
what about the woman that had the blood issue and when she touched his garments she was healed why did jesus said to her or the curved woman that couldnt stand on her own what jesus told the pharisees about her?
ohh btw, jesus didnt allowed some ppl to become his disciples. even though they begged for it.
you know why because its all about grace? he came to dispense grace and to do his father's work
OSAS is a pretty interesting point of view within protestant christianity. its not universalism per se but it tells you that once you are saved you are always saved
let me give you an example.
there was a case in the church of Corinth in which one of the members of that church was doing a terrible sin which was sleeping with his father's wife (not his natural mother) guess what the apostle paul did?
1 Corinthians
Chapter 5
see what paul did in this instance? he delivered the fornicator to satan so that his soul would be saved at christ return
hey if this is not OSAS then i dont know what this is!