https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2017/2/14/bava-basra-25b-the-suns-orbit-around-the-earthBava Basra 25b (talmud) ~ The Sun's Orbit Around the Earth:
In this passage the path of the Sun is described, and to understand it you need to know this. The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the earth was a flat disc, and that above the sky was an opaque covering called the rakia. During the day the Sun was visible under the rakia, and then at night it zipped back from where it set in the west to where it would rise again in the east by traveling over the rakia.
The other place that you will find the path of the Sun discussed in the Talmud is in Pesachim 94b (Talmud)
Is anyone suggesting that rabbis wrote the Talmud to trick jews? Observant jews are flat earthers. They follow the talmud.
[ + ] UncleDoug
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[ + ] DitchPig
[ - ] DitchPig -4 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 15:01:19 ago (+0/-4)
Turning into Clown Pod™.
I'm not mcNasty, dipshit.
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[ - ] Her0n 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 15:03:13 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] DitchPig
[ - ] DitchPig -3 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 15:04:58 ago (+0/-3)
The kike cries out as he strikes you.
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 16:38:47 ago (+2/-0)
Just like with women, I barely have time to properly pay attention to one!
It's funny how there's no one else here who talks exactly like I do and I don't have the same accounts coming to my rescue nor agreeing with every word I say.
You and mcnasty though...
Which accounts do you think are my alts, I'm curious to see what your logic is and where you see a pattern exactly.
I called out your name specifically, can you do the same for me?
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[ - ] DitchPig -2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 16:40:15 ago (+0/-2)
you're just using the classic kike tactic of stating something with absolutely no basis in fact, as though it were fact.
Kike harder, dipshit.
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 16:45:15 ago (+2/-0)
You also ignored my challenge for you to name my alts, which is a classical jewish method, ignore what will hang you and try to baffle with bullshit.
I deal with niggers that have more sense than you when I build automation for industrial plants in a city.
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The more I learn about the Israelites the more I realize they lifted practically everything. They lifted alot from the Babylonians, apparently during the “exile”. Their calandar is bablylonian. Their genesis is based on the Babylonian creation myth and also the Sumerian Gilgamish epic. They were also deeply influenced by the Assyrians
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 20:34:28 ago (+2/-0)*
Orthodox judaism actually takes kabbalah, referring to the textual tradition (sefer yetzirah, sefer zohar, etc.), as canonical. Many people don't know this; they think orthodox jews read Torah and that's it, but today's orthodox jews maintain the cute appearance of being the judahites from the Old Testament, while in fact they believe in an ongoing revelation (God was continuing to reveal throughout late antiquity and throughout the middle ages). You are completely correct that various more ecclectic messianic offshoots budded off from orthodoxy along the way. There are different flavors of kabbalists as a result of this; the progressives are the ones who began marketing a kabbalah-lite in the 90s in the US and are responsible for the red bracelet trend.
I have studied quite a lot concerning kabbalah, and if there is one thing I've discovered after years and that I could put in a nutshell, it's that the tradition of maintaining strict occulthood for its teachings (like only teaching strict jewish people aged 40 and up) is to conceal that it is (a) polytheism by another name and (b) basically rebranded Platonism (with a good shot of Greco-Roman and Persian religion thrown in). Simply, it isn't theirs, and it represents such a theological departure from the views of the ancient Israelites that they have to keep it a secret by shrouding it in esoteria. The idea is you wait until someone is 40 or older and a rabbi so they've got enough sunk cost in their investment that they'll 'get it'. After thirty years of commitment to study, they aren't jetting and going to study finance instead. It works because people have the intuition that initiated people (like clergymen) have secrets for keeping, so just about any contradiction can be shoved into that suitcase.
Re: jews stealing everything, you are bang on. They are personified cognitive dissonance. They 'assimilate without assimilating' by stealing everything and fitting it somehow into their wildly ethnocentric belief system. They brand it their own and make it 'chosen'.
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Even the chassidic dont take it as cannon. There are no mitzvot from the kabbalah. There is nothing legally binding from it. I think its safe to say the chassidic revere it, but it does not have the importance of the torah or even the talmud. But there are orthodox groups that shun it, and some that place low importance to it, like litvish orthodox.
Yeah, as I heard it, most jews never read it or even discussed it except for the scholars, because the knowledge was too dangerous.
Wow polytheism, really. I had heard that some forms of judaism are “neo-platonist” .
I like to distinguish between jews and israelites. There is obviously some ideological continuity there but they arent the same people anymore. As I am currently reading the OT, I am trying to research how it was written and who wrote it and when they wrote it. My conclusions are that the Israelite people are a much younger group than I previously thought and that they were cobbled together by a military and religious elite and were not super-closely related. The Israelites were the Canaanites. Furthermore they werent particularly monotheist until maybe the 4th or 5th century BC or maybe later. So much about their ethnogenesis turns out to be a lie, probably because it was unknown to the authors of the bible and the history of the monarchy just seems to be extreme political propaganda
I have briefly looked at the talmud. It seems like a grab-bag of topics. Alot of it is exegesis on the torah but it also includes recipes, and tall tales and medical advice. Its more legal discussion than ideology. I dont know how these jews get through it. Apparently its 3 or 4 times the length of the bible.
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[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 9 monthsAug 4, 2024 01:53:43 ago (+0/-0)*
I agree with everything you said about the provenance of the jewish bible and their history. You might like The Bible Unearthed. It's written by a couple of jews. There's very little history in Tanakh. I believe the Israelites were polytheistic and they saw Yahweh as under Elyon and basically presiding over their own land area. Original Israelite fears over loss of the homeland had to do with their belief that once you literally left that region, you were no longer under the protection of YHWH. That became renegotiated over the years with the temple cult, but I still think that's a 'genetic' principle underlying obsession with the holy land, albeit that there is a more eschatological/apocalyptic tinge to it today. Prophecy and all that.
With regard to polytheism as such, I don't think there are many examples of pure monotheism at all, except for Islam perhaps. Christians use word games to play at monotheism, but most of this jewish shit (including the judeo-christian shit) is a shell game. I suppose some Christian unitarians and some Torah-only jews count.
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Wow I didn’t know that. Something that really bothers me is how everyone, Christians included, treat modern rabbinic judaism as the de jure legacy religion of the israelites. It has a relationship to it but they have added on all this bullshit like oral torah and alot of gentile beliefs like Hell and an afterlife and obviously they have ended animal sacrifice which was central to Israelite worship. They have some bullshit excuse for why they cant sacrifice animals anymore (temple needs to be rebuilt) but they dont have the taste for it, and they don’t want to be accused as barabarians, which they would be if they started performing burnt sacrifices because someone had a rash.
Yeah I have heard this theory. In the Dead Sea scrolls version, the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy?) says Elyon gave the nations to the gods/his sons and Yahweh’s inheritance was Israel/Cana’an. You are probably aware of the scholarship on these verses. LXX differs from the Masoretic/Vulgate texts in an interesting way as well. References to “heavenly hosts” or “divine council” occur throughout the OT and may not have refered to angels originally. (And what the fuck are angels anyway, but demoted gods. Reminds me of celtic fairies)
Yup I think you are right. Shekinah dwells on the temple mount behind the wailing wall or at least she will when they rebuild it.
Aren’t the muslims playing the same game as the christains and jews? Hubaal (i.e. Baal) was the god of the Qa’aba and he had 3 daughter godesses which Muhammed discusses in the “satanic verses”. Muhammed’s clan were hanif, which was some offshoot of the israelite religion which worshipped Eloah (El) and shunned pork and idolatry. These two gods were obviously conflated and islamic scholars have attampted to clean up the messiness of Muhammed’s opportunism ever since. They wanted to murder Salmon Rushdie for pointing this out.
I remember reading alot of “Indian twitter” at one point. They use the term “crypto-monotheist” to describe Indians trying to sabbotage Hindu culture, perhaps as part of a conspiracy with muslims, christians and jews. I thought it was kind of funny at the time, but Ive thought about it for a while and I think powerful centralized religions will always tend toward monotheism. Polytheism seems very decentralized and “democratic” in a way, perhaps “tolerant”. But a tyrrannical religious hierarchy might always evolve into monotheism because in a very real way, it is a monopolization of religion. Indians may be right to suspect monotheism. I think there are implications for this process outside of religion as well (e.g. Monoparty political systems). Or maybe Im up my own ass. 🤷🏻♀️
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Hahaha. Good connection. But demoted gods is exactly how I see them. These alpha-n-omega monotheistic traditions all run into the same problem. You make God into something that can't intervene in this world at all (it makes no logical sense), but you also need him to. So they all need some intermediary, which just adds the subsequent problem that you haven't dissolved the categorical leap from divine to mortal/material/corporeal. So each religion sort of differs on how it fills that gap out.
I did not know this. Very interesting.
Nope.
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Sometimes, as I read OT, I can’t tell if its Yahweh participating in the action or an angel. Who tells Sarah she will give birth? Who wrestles Jacob? Who speaks from the burning bush? There are dozens of passages that are highly ambiguous in this way. Were these stories originally about another god that had to be retconned as an angel/Yahweh?
The monotheists seem to have expanded this divide. Its a trait. They are allergic to “natural” religions. God seems to interfere with the world rather than control it in the OT. In polytheism, the gods are in everything. I guess the conception of Jesus is the exception to this rule (Yahweh really crossed the line there! ) but I suppose a jew would say its because the Chistians are a pack of idolators.
Oh yeah Hubal means something like “Lord Ba’al” which is funny because Ba’al also means something like lord or master, so its really “Lord Lord”. El means lord/master too, I think. Adon/adonai also means lord/my lord and it was an epithet of Tammuz/Damuzid worshipped by the Mesopotamians (Tammuz is the 4th month of the Jewish calandar) and Adon is also link to the greek cult of Adonis. I dont know if there is any evidence of conflation of Tammuz with El/Yahweh but it seems plausible.
But Hubal had 3 daughters al-Lat, al-Uzza, and al-Manat, that were also worshipped. I believe al-Lat was identified with Asherah. The hanif religion of Muhammed’s grandfather’s clan is too similar to israelite religion be coincidence. We should look at all the groups in this area as being on an ethnic and cultural continuum.
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[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
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Cool. We're the Star People then.
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kek
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One thing for certain is, Nikola Tesla thought relativity was retarded.
And relativity is the explanation of how gravity works in heliocentrism.
No relativity, no Heliocentrism.
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[ - ] McNasty -3 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 13:35:29 ago (+0/-3)
Tesla believed free energy and understood the voltage gradient which requires a positivity charged surface above us.
He said relatively was retarded.
So it is what it is. You could either believe a bunch of jews at NASA or read about what Tesla believes himself.
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[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 16:02:07 ago (+1/-0)
1. Buh uhm hey what about this other completely unrelated thing!
Gay. Next.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty -4 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 13:33:32 ago (+0/-4)
Tesla believed free energy and understood the voltage gradient which requires a positivity charged surface above us.
He said relatively was retarded.
So it is what it is. You could either believe a bunch of jews at NASA or read about what Tesla believes himself.
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[ - ] TheNoticing 3 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 14:16:52 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty -3 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 14:28:02 ago (+0/-3)
Use the golden rule. If you can verify it myself, you don't need to have faith.
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[ + ] CHIRO
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That's the move now? Seriously?
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[ - ] yesiknow 9 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 08:49:23 ago (+9/-0)
Some israeli news site interviewed jews promoting it because they always have to tell you in some obscure way.
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[ + ] GetFuckedCunt
[ - ] GetFuckedCunt -2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 08:57:28 ago (+7/-9)
At one point, all White nations understood that the Earth is level and stationary. This is why we have used Euclidean plane geometry for thousands of years.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena [op] 8 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 09:33:54 ago (+9/-1)
Motion is relative.
Sophistry. You cant say the Earth is a plane because Euclidean geometry exists. Gay.
The Israelite (and by extension jewish) conception of the universe described in Genesis is actually based on the Babylonian beliefs (outlined in the Enuma Elish creation myth , I think)
[ + ] GetFuckedCunt
[ - ] GetFuckedCunt -1 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 09:39:07 ago (+5/-6)
You show me an object moving 66,666mph while rotating 1000mph yet "revolving slower than the second hand on a clock." This is kike nonsense. Invoking magical properties because it doesn't exist in reality.
https://files.catbox.moe/hcjrkk.png
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[ - ] McNasty -3 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 11:50:58 ago (+1/-4)
Bingo. Now convince me that reality isn't what it feels like without using a jewish institution that also affirms the Holocaust is reality.
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-01/who-got-america-to-the-moon-a-unlikely-collaboration-of-jews-and-former-nazi-engineers
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[ - ] Her0n 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 15:02:19 ago (+2/-0)
You harp on nasa and only nasa, yet it's not only nasa saying the earth is round.
I'd ask why kikes are so retarded, but I already know about the rampant incest and nigger fucking.
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[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 6 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 10:37:16 ago (+6/-0)
Go back to your tunnel and your shit-stained mattress, jew boy.
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[ - ] McNasty -3 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 11:25:13 ago (+1/-4)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 6 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 09:14:18 ago (+6/-0)
Thank you.
Kabbalah can't possibly be true unless the earth is flat, motionless, and the center of the galaxy.
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[ - ] McNasty -4 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 11:52:08 ago (+0/-4)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 15:18:45 ago (+1/-0)
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kabballah
And it 100% depends on a flat, stationary, geocenteric earth.
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[ + ] Nasturtium
[ - ] Nasturtium 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 10:04:53 ago (+2/-0)
Wouldn't this indicate that it is the stars themselves that revolve in place and not the celestial sphere as a whole, because otherwise it would be impossible for Ursa Major to remain in the North and Scorpio to remain in the South.
The constellation of Ursa Major never sets below the horizon.
The brightest stars in Ursa Major, which you may know are the ones that form the star pattern known as the Big Dipper.
Upon further reading now I noticed there are 6 constellations that are only in the northern hemisphere. 😳
There are 21 stars located in the constellation of Ursa Major alone, which host planets. Okay, now I'm getting confused how can this be?
I am just sharing an observance here btw, not disputing your post.
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[ - ] HeyJames 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 09:17:42 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 2 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 11:20:53 ago (+3/-1)
The Heliocentrism lie wasn't pushed until after the publication of the Gutenberg Bible.
I suggest viewing the Video Heliosorcery for the historical breakdown of how and why Jesuits introduced this new worldview.
https://youtu.be/crasHY5HCdI
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[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty 0 points 9 monthsAug 4, 2024 12:25:19 ago (+0/-0)
How. My claim is that the Jewish conspiracy is recent.
Here's an encyclopedia from 1958 that acknowledges the firmament.
https://youtu.be/BFPQNud5hSU
Looks like you loose. It is confirmed that even in 1958 people acknowledged the firmament.
[ + ] GetFuckedCunt
[ - ] GetFuckedCunt -1 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 18:07:24 ago (+0/-1)
You would have to prove that NASA isnt jewish, that nazi scientists were kidnapped after gassing 6 million jews in order to refute the claim.
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[ + ] McNasty
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[ + ] DitchPig
[ - ] DitchPig 0 points 9 monthsAug 3, 2024 09:47:32 ago (+3/-3)
jesuit, jewish, same thing.