i see what you mean, but time not existing means you can't travel to a point in time. on a physics level, everything is happening all at once, and a moment in time is over the instant you move past it. at best, if you revisit that space you get a recollection or faint residue of it, but the "time" itself does not exist and you cannot recreate it, because you have continued to move in time and it would not be the same. think of a moment in time as an arrangement of circumstances - those circumstances continue changing after that moment in time so the elements necessary to put that previous moment back together no longer exist.
If "time travel" requires multiple timelines, then that isn't "time travel" is it? It is changing which parallel universe is being experienced.
If time travel did exist, then why isn't this timeline ever affected? Wouldn't that be actual time travel? as shown in movies and books, etc?
If our timeline is never changed, then what good is time travel? How does that make sense? Nothing that could be accomplished with "time travel" being affecting other parallel universes/timelines, how is this going to destroy the kike plans??? LMAO.
It doesn't matter, the other timelines that we would exist via our going into the past would be exactly like our own up till the point of our arrival, so from our perspective we may as well have traveled back along our own timeline even though that's not the case from an external perspective, basically, you are arguing semantics and the fact is we still get to see what things would be like if we went back and interfered with the way things were in the past, and we still get a better knowledge of how the past was.
The difference is not practically important.
Also, you'll never see your own timeline again after traveling to the past, just as you'll never leave the timeline you're in when traveling to the future.
Our timeline is one in an infinite set of timelines, an I finite number of permutations of events between the universe beginning and end, if you think the entry into another series of events at the cost of abandoning the future events in this one makes things meaningless, then everything is already meaningless, because another version of you has already done so.
Here's how things are from the outside, okay?
There's one timeline for every possible series if universes between the beginning of time at the expansion of the universe from a singularity to the end of time at the collapse of the universe back into a singularity again.
One timeline exists for every permutation of universes, every configuration of matter and energy, every sequence of events, etc.
All within the same set of natural laws, which places a finite limit on these otherwise infinite numbers of timelines.
The timelines are all eternal, and were always complete, with the universe at all points in time - past, present, and future - being like the photo frames in a film reel: All the material contents of the universe at each point in time being like the pixels in these still frames, and featured in them, an infinite number of you, each in a slightly different position, like the static drawings in a flip book that only appear to move when the pages are moved between at a constant rate.
There are other groupings of infinite timelines, these ones limited by the natural laws of their cluster.
The natural laws are the product of a core, and the tinelines all surround the core like the shell of an egg, the core being the yolk at the center, the timlines each share a frame at the beginning and end, which is the singularity all universes start and finish with, and the path the timelines take around the core is elliptical, so with all of them next to each other, they form an oval shaped shell around the yolk, with the closest frame to the center in each of them bring at the midpoint between their emergence from a singularity and their collapse back into it.
Now as you might notice, there's two trips between the two singularities, the quantum principle of binary pairs is reflected in this return trip, the matter of one way is the antimatter to the matter of the other side, on the way out - The way back is the way forth, but in reverse, and the two would nullify each other should they ever meet.
Time travel, where it is permitted by the natural laws of the core, is already accounted for in the timelines which surround it, with things disappearing from a point in one timeline and appearing in a point on one of the other timelines.
You've already done everything you possibly could do.
And the past of this timeline will forever be unchanged, just as with all timelines, when going back in time, you are not creating a new series of ebents, unaccounted for by the greater scale of reality, rather, you are merely experiencing a timeline that has always existed in the state that you will experience it has existing in, you cannot change the nature of any timeline, not even by traveling between them, especially as you are merely a part of their contents.
Mark the circle as the nucleus from which all the natural laws of your universe originate.
Mark the furthest parts of the oval from the circle in its center as being the singularities at the beginning and end of your universe.
Mark all the points on one side of the oval in a clockwise direction as being the universe at different subsequent points in time.
Point A, point B, point C, etc.
Mark the same on the other side, but continuing the clockwise direction, the first point (A) being opposite the last point (Z) on the other side.
Now draw a bunch of lines between the furthest points on the oval from the center, to indicate that there's a lot of these elliptical lines surrounding the core of the system, all sharing the two furthest points with one another as their points of origin and end, but all are next to one another, essentially forming something like a shell around the core.
Like a shell of an egg around its yolk, assuming it's more of a perfect oval shape than the shape of most real eggs, with one of the pointed sides being somewhat flattened.
Now draw the same entire system a couple of times in the background, to show that there are others out there.
But the cores of the others are all different, there's one for every possible set of natural laws, and the differences of natural laws means that their surrounding timelines are all limited by there being different rules determining the series of universes that could exist between their singularities.
Nevertheless, there are some constants, all universes begin and end with singularities, all timelines exist as completed stories circling around the core of their reality, which determines the finite limits on the infinite timelines.
Call them all what you will, names and labels are far less important than knowing what these things are, and I hoped that I adequately explained what these things are.
Hope this little bit of cosmicist metaphysics was enlightening for you.
I'm not very good at getting images out of my head and expressed into words.
I'm cursed to have vivid images on my mind, but to also be completely incapable of drawing or otherwise representing them as images.
So how does what you postulate make any difference in our world?
As you say, the past is fully set....
How will going into another timeline change things?
What you are describing is already presented in that book. You are changing universes, not timelines.
You are not talking about time travel, you are talking about shifting universes - each with a unique footprint from beginning to end. Many of the universes - as you say - share identical pasts up to a point and then have a change, either minor or significant.
If anyone "changes" timelines, it just means that is the universe they were in all along.
I actually just sent you $100 million dollars.
Oh, that's right, it was in another universe :) Have fun spending it.
You get to personally experience a different version of the past, one with you in it, or one with another you in it (such as the future me that goes back in time to slap the shit out of the younger me).
It's like saying, someone is going to win the lottery, so why does it matter if I win it? Your personal experience changes.
Why do we want to save the world when in some timelune we had already done that?
Because we want to personally experience what it's like to be in a world that's been saved.
I'm speaking from the perspective of you, traveling through time in your time machine, this is your personal experience, and keep in mind, your personal experience matters.
When you travel forward in time, you go to a future frame in your timeline of origin.
When you go back in time, you vanish from the timeline of origin, and appear at an earlier point in another timeline (perhaps to encounter some younger version of yourself that already exists at that universe).
Every frame in a timeline is essentially it's own universe, every you that exists at every moment is essentially an entirely different you. But that's from the perspective outside the timeline, from within the cartoon, the cartoon character thinks of themselves as a singularity entity, not as a series of still images, they remember all the previous selves they've been as being one and the same with their current self, just as you do, ams they experience the rest of their universe in the same way, as one changing thing, not as a series of separate still things with a "memory" of their previous states, the result of their inherent design, and arguably of the fact that they were arranged in a particular order.
Each moment is it's own universe, from the outside.
From the inside, all moments are the same universe.
Why do you, as a resident of the inside of this system, care at all about this outside?
With or without time travel, all possible sets of universes, all possible series of events, all possible permutations of matter energy arrangements, all exist, all at once, forever and eternally.
But you exist within this system, you are made of those bits of material substances whose configurations differ from frame to frame within the universes of the timeline.
From your perspective, going back to the past doesn't take you to another timeline, it may as well have taken you to a previous point in the timeline you've come from considering that everything will be identical except the presence of yourself and whatever you brought along with you.
And the events which follow would be exactly what events would've occurred as a result of the presence of you and your additions in the timeline.
So why would you care? You get to see what could've been if you went back in time and changed the past from the present moment, because that's exactly what you did.
You got to realize that the practical and functional nature of reality is different from the perspective you are capable of having, and the grander cosmic one which is alwaus going to be unavailable to you under any circumstances (due to your own very nature of being).
Nothing is created nor destroyed, timelines were always there, and were never altered, just as they will always be there, and shall never change from being just as they are now.
Similarly, while time travel may take you fro one timeline to another, the conservation of matter and energy among the timelines as a whole is preserved, you've only moved, nothing was lost nor gained. All is preserved under the oldest rules of equivalent exchange.
This is the way things are, and the way they've always been, and the way they will be forever.
Everything you perceive to be real is in fact just signals being sent that creates the illusion of reality.
Imagine this: you are the only one with a mind.
Everyone else is a robot made of flesh, merely acting in such a way as to seem convincing enough that they have a mind of their own, but it's all clockwork and puppetry.
Imagine this: you are dreaming.
Nothing is real outside of you, everything is the product of your own mind.
Imagine this: everything, including yourself, just came to be right now.
Nothing existed a moment before now, your memories were created along with you, so that you assume to have a last you've never had.
I could go on and on like this, and you should get the point by now.
What things ultimately are is of less consequence compared to what you experience them as being. Best you could do is work within the reality you experience yourself as existing in.
There's no point in worrying about what your actions cannot affect, and no point in sweating anything that will not change your experience of existence.
Thats the point someone like Descartes would make in the wake of his infamous thought experiment.
And it's the point that Laplace would make after his own thought experiment had established the deterministic nature of reality and the nonexistence of free will.
We may as well act as if the reality we see if real, and we might as well act as if free will exists, because given the complex nature of these things, this is the practical truth from the point-of-sale view of our perceptions, at least for now, even if it might not be the ultimate truth, and at any time may widely be revealed for being just an illusion thats convincing enough to fool our intuitive sense of reality.
It can be tough to express high level thoughts like this, and definitions are key here.
Your post (and the one before) start talking about "time travel". In the mainstream definition, this is the act of going into the past to change the present.
Then you say the past is fixed, and "time travel" will impact other "timelines" - which may be called "time travel" to some, but in the mainstream, this would be something more akin to sliding into an alternate universe, parallel dimension, or the like.
And now you start talking about simulation theory - which also is not time travel.
Each of these is worthy of a long discussion. Staying with a singular idea can be helpful.
My thoughts run parallel to the book, aside from the minor flaws. There are an infinite set of universes, with a lot of similarities in the clusters that pop up around major central "themes". Each universe timeline is set from beginning to end, and changes in the present just changes which universe cluster path is being followed. There is an "outside" to the universe - where our soul exists, and can see and follow every universe as an observer.
Our soul is controlling our "simulation embodiment" to some degree, while also allowing free will. The soul can see how every action results, due to viewing every one of the infinite universes - but has a limited control ability due to the free will and mechanism of communication between the outside and any universe.
Physical time travel is not possible, for a plurality of reasons - disease, lack of evidence, persistence of the most evil still being around, etc.
In the rare case that time travel did exist, this could be the source of major disease outbreaks - which is one area that could be extensively studied. Did a time traveler bring the black death to Europe? It could be said that each plague still resides in/on us, but in a weakened form, since our immune systems have advanced to limit the impact these diseases have.
But taking a current form of the plague back to Europe in the 1300s would be introducing a "new" strain onto an unprepared peoples, just like the rat theory holds. However, the time traveler would most likely die from other diseases, dysentery, or many of the other weakness our comfortable lives have reduced our bodies defenses for.
There's two timelines, the contents of here timelines are identical to a point, but differ in the following way.
In one timeline, someone appears at one point on time.
In the other, that doesn't happen, but someone disappears at a later point.
That someone has traveled back in time, and from their perspective, they have gone back to the way thing used to be in their own past, and were the catalyst for changes to their own series of events from that point on.
They won't see their trip as being an act of stepping from one timeline to another, but strictly speaking, that's what they are doing, however, an external viewpoint, which we will never have access to, will reveal this to be the case.
We can only infer that this is what is happening from the fact that causal paradoxes, like going back in time by five minutes and killing your past self, are able to be committed without experiencing anything unusual as a result.
The fact that I brought up simulations is only to illustrate the importance of perspective, and the usefulness of acting upon practical reality without immediately prioritizing some ultimate reality like living in a simulation.
Also, you've misinterpreted my posts, you can't "impact" a timeline, they have always existed in their most whole, complete forms, and never change in any way, which means their contents are never altered in any way, either.
There was always a timeline where you arrived from the future (objectively of another timeline, subjectively of the one you are in) and changed a bunch of things with your presence (along with other things, such as your actions).
But the ultimate reality is that a timeline with this entire set of events had always existed, and you are merely experiencing these events as a result of your time traveling.
You changed nothing, created nothing, destroyed nothing, your personal experience is all that time travel had impacted.
The same goes for anything you do in the absence of time travel, there are an infinite number of you in an infinite number of timelines, all of which are experiencing a different set of events, and to a degree, your own decisions play a role in which you you get to experience being, and which events you get to experience being a part of.
Now I wouldn't say that something like diseases would be an argument against the possibility of time travel, because they aren't, they are an argument as to why one should be very cautious when time traveling.
This is indeed some risk one would have to manage, not so much for shorter trips into the past, just for the longer ones.
Even then, it's not as catastrophically bad as you make it seem to be, certainly nothing that would absolutely make such a feat as time travel impossible.
The same risks applied for exploring new continents and islands and other regions of the world, yet we overcame it without even being fully aware of the threat.
The other issue, of translocation, means that we merely have to map out the locations in space which we have to go to using a bunch of very short trips to establish a pattern of movement to the earth, which could be used to make the necessary predictions of where in space to go to.
So we can overcome almost every objection one would raise against time travel beyond the actual mechanics of how we actually go about achieving it. Merely attempting to analyze and solve the issues tebders a solution rather quickly, or reveals the issue as not being so dire as you would make it sound, in which case, mere due practice of caution us enough. At this point, we should be placing our focus on how to figure out the mechanics of time travel. Lets set these extraneous concerns aside.
No mote worrying about things like paradoxes of causality, the ultimate structure of reality and what it's implications on the real nature of time traveling are, or on what the risks that would be faced by the time traveler are.
First we make it work, the other stuff is distraction from figuring out the mechanics of how it is to be practically acheived.
Time isn't linear. I mean, we experience it that way. But think about how differently we experience taste and color compared to other humans, let alone trees and shit. It's really not different. That being said, it we experience time in a way that seems linear, we should probably focus on what's in front of us in our conception of the present.
Astronomer & Mathematician Sir Fred Hoyle - 24 June 1915 / 20 August 2001 - who similarly denied the Big Bang in favor of what he called the "Steady State Universe," arrived at the conclusion space faring, time traveling aliens living among us direct human affairs.
May 10,1971 Hoyle called a news conference and made the following startling announcement .. "human beings are simply pawns in a great game being played by alien minds, which control mankind’s every move. “These alien minds come from another universe that has five dimensions, whose laws of chemistry and physics are completely different from ours.
They have learned to shatter the TIME/SPACE barriers that restrict us .. these super intelligent entities are so different from us that to apprehend them or to describe them in human terms is impossible .. they seem to be totally free from any such physical restrictions as bodies, and they are more like pure intelligence.
They seem to have the ability to be almost anywhere in the universe in a matter of seconds .. they are everywhere—in the sky, on the sea, on Earth, they have been here for countless eons and they have probably controlled the evolution of Homo sapiens. All of what man has built and become was accomplished because of the "tinkering" of these intelligent forces." http://www.biography.com/people/fred-hoyle.
Sir Fred is a man after my own heart .. he also argued that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution was “wrong” and declared natural selection couldn’t explain evolution. In the 1980s he co-developed the theory that the origin of life involved cells which arrived from space, and that comets helped promote evolution by bringing a steady influx of viruses.
https://i.postimg.cc/TY8ch1Q1/Tharsis.jpg
The ash blanket that covers much of Mars' surface came from successive eruptions of volcanoes on the Tharsis Shield, which are said to have occurred between "3.7 billion and 500 million yrs ago." Wiki.
Curiosity Rover landed in Gale Crater which is three miles deep and one hundred mi across, which means the impact that formed the crater displaced some 7,500 cubic miles of volcanic ash, to reveal an ancient surface that is in large part intact!
Curiosity Sol 1035 returned July 5, 2015 - Has cliplock iron roofing which was first produced in Australia in 1962, protruding from under about a meter of mudstone, itself covered by no less than three miles of volcanic ash .. think about how it got there & conclude the only viable explanation is extra planetary time travel. https://mars.nasa.gov/raw_images/263702/?site=msl.
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[ - ] yesiknow 4 points 1.8 yearsJul 10, 2022 18:50:45 ago (+4/-0)
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[ + ] Empire_of_the_Mind
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[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 10, 2022 21:21:38 ago (+1/-0)
Among the various things I want to do as we head back is to go back and slap my younger self for being such a dumbass.
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[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 10, 2022 19:18:28 ago (+2/-0)
If "time travel" requires multiple timelines, then that isn't "time travel" is it? It is changing which parallel universe is being experienced.
If time travel did exist, then why isn't this timeline ever affected? Wouldn't that be actual time travel? as shown in movies and books, etc?
If our timeline is never changed, then what good is time travel? How does that make sense? Nothing that could be accomplished with "time travel" being affecting other parallel universes/timelines, how is this going to destroy the kike plans??? LMAO.
At least be consistent in your ideas.
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 10, 2022 21:53:08 ago (+0/-0)
The difference is not practically important.
Also, you'll never see your own timeline again after traveling to the past, just as you'll never leave the timeline you're in when traveling to the future.
Our timeline is one in an infinite set of timelines, an I finite number of permutations of events between the universe beginning and end, if you think the entry into another series of events at the cost of abandoning the future events in this one makes things meaningless, then everything is already meaningless, because another version of you has already done so.
Here's how things are from the outside, okay?
There's one timeline for every possible series if universes between the beginning of time at the expansion of the universe from a singularity to the end of time at the collapse of the universe back into a singularity again.
One timeline exists for every permutation of universes, every configuration of matter and energy, every sequence of events, etc.
All within the same set of natural laws, which places a finite limit on these otherwise infinite numbers of timelines.
The timelines are all eternal, and were always complete, with the universe at all points in time - past, present, and future - being like the photo frames in a film reel: All the material contents of the universe at each point in time being like the pixels in these still frames, and featured in them, an infinite number of you, each in a slightly different position, like the static drawings in a flip book that only appear to move when the pages are moved between at a constant rate.
There are other groupings of infinite timelines, these ones limited by the natural laws of their cluster.
The natural laws are the product of a core, and the tinelines all surround the core like the shell of an egg, the core being the yolk at the center, the timlines each share a frame at the beginning and end, which is the singularity all universes start and finish with, and the path the timelines take around the core is elliptical, so with all of them next to each other, they form an oval shaped shell around the yolk, with the closest frame to the center in each of them bring at the midpoint between their emergence from a singularity and their collapse back into it.
Now as you might notice, there's two trips between the two singularities, the quantum principle of binary pairs is reflected in this return trip, the matter of one way is the antimatter to the matter of the other side, on the way out - The way back is the way forth, but in reverse, and the two would nullify each other should they ever meet.
Time travel, where it is permitted by the natural laws of the core, is already accounted for in the timelines which surround it, with things disappearing from a point in one timeline and appearing in a point on one of the other timelines.
You've already done everything you possibly could do.
And the past of this timeline will forever be unchanged, just as with all timelines, when going back in time, you are not creating a new series of ebents, unaccounted for by the greater scale of reality, rather, you are merely experiencing a timeline that has always existed in the state that you will experience it has existing in, you cannot change the nature of any timeline, not even by traveling between them, especially as you are merely a part of their contents.
Feel small yet?
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 10, 2022 22:13:05 ago (+0/-0)
Draw an oval around it.
Mark the circle as the nucleus from which all the natural laws of your universe originate.
Mark the furthest parts of the oval from the circle in its center as being the singularities at the beginning and end of your universe.
Mark all the points on one side of the oval in a clockwise direction as being the universe at different subsequent points in time.
Point A, point B, point C, etc.
Mark the same on the other side, but continuing the clockwise direction, the first point (A) being opposite the last point (Z) on the other side.
Now draw a bunch of lines between the furthest points on the oval from the center, to indicate that there's a lot of these elliptical lines surrounding the core of the system, all sharing the two furthest points with one another as their points of origin and end, but all are next to one another, essentially forming something like a shell around the core.
Like a shell of an egg around its yolk, assuming it's more of a perfect oval shape than the shape of most real eggs, with one of the pointed sides being somewhat flattened.
Now draw the same entire system a couple of times in the background, to show that there are others out there.
But the cores of the others are all different, there's one for every possible set of natural laws, and the differences of natural laws means that their surrounding timelines are all limited by there being different rules determining the series of universes that could exist between their singularities.
Nevertheless, there are some constants, all universes begin and end with singularities, all timelines exist as completed stories circling around the core of their reality, which determines the finite limits on the infinite timelines.
Call them all what you will, names and labels are far less important than knowing what these things are, and I hoped that I adequately explained what these things are.
Hope this little bit of cosmicist metaphysics was enlightening for you.
I'm not very good at getting images out of my head and expressed into words.
I'm cursed to have vivid images on my mind, but to also be completely incapable of drawing or otherwise representing them as images.
I must trust my words to get the ideas across.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 10, 2022 22:40:35 ago (+0/-0)
So how does what you postulate make any difference in our world?
As you say, the past is fully set....
How will going into another timeline change things?
What you are describing is already presented in that book. You are changing universes, not timelines.
You are not talking about time travel, you are talking about shifting universes - each with a unique footprint from beginning to end. Many of the universes - as you say - share identical pasts up to a point and then have a change, either minor or significant.
If anyone "changes" timelines, it just means that is the universe they were in all along.
I actually just sent you $100 million dollars.
Oh, that's right, it was in another universe :)
Have fun spending it.
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[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 10, 2022 23:22:55 ago (+0/-0)
It's like saying, someone is going to win the lottery, so why does it matter if I win it? Your personal experience changes.
Why do we want to save the world when in some timelune we had already done that?
Because we want to personally experience what it's like to be in a world that's been saved.
I'm speaking from the perspective of you, traveling through time in your time machine, this is your personal experience, and keep in mind, your personal experience matters.
When you travel forward in time, you go to a future frame in your timeline of origin.
When you go back in time, you vanish from the timeline of origin, and appear at an earlier point in another timeline (perhaps to encounter some younger version of yourself that already exists at that universe).
Every frame in a timeline is essentially it's own universe, every you that exists at every moment is essentially an entirely different you. But that's from the perspective outside the timeline, from within the cartoon, the cartoon character thinks of themselves as a singularity entity, not as a series of still images, they remember all the previous selves they've been as being one and the same with their current self, just as you do, ams they experience the rest of their universe in the same way, as one changing thing, not as a series of separate still things with a "memory" of their previous states, the result of their inherent design, and arguably of the fact that they were arranged in a particular order.
Each moment is it's own universe, from the outside.
From the inside, all moments are the same universe.
Why do you, as a resident of the inside of this system, care at all about this outside?
With or without time travel, all possible sets of universes, all possible series of events, all possible permutations of matter energy arrangements, all exist, all at once, forever and eternally.
But you exist within this system, you are made of those bits of material substances whose configurations differ from frame to frame within the universes of the timeline.
From your perspective, going back to the past doesn't take you to another timeline, it may as well have taken you to a previous point in the timeline you've come from considering that everything will be identical except the presence of yourself and whatever you brought along with you.
And the events which follow would be exactly what events would've occurred as a result of the presence of you and your additions in the timeline.
So why would you care? You get to see what could've been if you went back in time and changed the past from the present moment, because that's exactly what you did.
You got to realize that the practical and functional nature of reality is different from the perspective you are capable of having, and the grander cosmic one which is alwaus going to be unavailable to you under any circumstances (due to your own very nature of being).
Nothing is created nor destroyed, timelines were always there, and were never altered, just as they will always be there, and shall never change from being just as they are now.
Similarly, while time travel may take you fro one timeline to another, the conservation of matter and energy among the timelines as a whole is preserved, you've only moved, nothing was lost nor gained.
All is preserved under the oldest rules of equivalent exchange.
This is the way things are, and the way they've always been, and the way they will be forever.
Everything is relative.
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 11, 2022 00:02:46 ago (+0/-0)
Everything you perceive to be real is in fact just signals being sent that creates the illusion of reality.
Imagine this: you are the only one with a mind.
Everyone else is a robot made of flesh, merely acting in such a way as to seem convincing enough that they have a mind of their own, but it's all clockwork and puppetry.
Imagine this: you are dreaming.
Nothing is real outside of you, everything is the product of your own mind.
Imagine this: everything, including yourself, just came to be right now.
Nothing existed a moment before now, your memories were created along with you, so that you assume to have a last you've never had.
I could go on and on like this, and you should get the point by now.
What things ultimately are is of less consequence compared to what you experience them as being. Best you could do is work within the reality you experience yourself as existing in.
There's no point in worrying about what your actions cannot affect, and no point in sweating anything that will not change your experience of existence.
Thats the point someone like Descartes would make in the wake of his infamous thought experiment.
And it's the point that Laplace would make after his own thought experiment had established the deterministic nature of reality and the nonexistence of free will.
We may as well act as if the reality we see if real, and we might as well act as if free will exists, because given the complex nature of these things, this is the practical truth from the point-of-sale view of our perceptions, at least for now, even if it might not be the ultimate truth, and at any time may widely be revealed for being just an illusion thats convincing enough to fool our intuitive sense of reality.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 11, 2022 11:22:24 ago (+0/-0)
Your post (and the one before) start talking about "time travel". In the mainstream definition, this is the act of going into the past to change the present.
Then you say the past is fixed, and "time travel" will impact other "timelines" - which may be called "time travel" to some, but in the mainstream, this would be something more akin to sliding into an alternate universe, parallel dimension, or the like.
And now you start talking about simulation theory - which also is not time travel.
Each of these is worthy of a long discussion. Staying with a singular idea can be helpful.
My thoughts run parallel to the book, aside from the minor flaws.
There are an infinite set of universes, with a lot of similarities in the clusters that pop up around major central "themes".
Each universe timeline is set from beginning to end, and changes in the present just changes which universe cluster path is being followed.
There is an "outside" to the universe - where our soul exists, and can see and follow every universe as an observer.
Our soul is controlling our "simulation embodiment" to some degree, while also allowing free will. The soul can see how every action results, due to viewing every one of the infinite universes - but has a limited control ability due to the free will and mechanism of communication between the outside and any universe.
Physical time travel is not possible, for a plurality of reasons - disease, lack of evidence, persistence of the most evil still being around, etc.
In the rare case that time travel did exist, this could be the source of major disease outbreaks - which is one area that could be extensively studied. Did a time traveler bring the black death to Europe? It could be said that each plague still resides in/on us, but in a weakened form, since our immune systems have advanced to limit the impact these diseases have.
But taking a current form of the plague back to Europe in the 1300s would be introducing a "new" strain onto an unprepared peoples, just like the rat theory holds. However, the time traveler would most likely die from other diseases, dysentery, or many of the other weakness our comfortable lives have reduced our bodies defenses for.
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There's two timelines, the contents of here timelines are identical to a point, but differ in the following way.
In one timeline, someone appears at one point on time.
In the other, that doesn't happen, but someone disappears at a later point.
That someone has traveled back in time, and from their perspective, they have gone back to the way thing used to be in their own past, and were the catalyst for changes to their own series of events from that point on.
They won't see their trip as being an act of stepping from one timeline to another, but strictly speaking, that's what they are doing, however, an external viewpoint, which we will never have access to, will reveal this to be the case.
We can only infer that this is what is happening from the fact that causal paradoxes, like going back in time by five minutes and killing your past self, are able to be committed without experiencing anything unusual as a result.
The fact that I brought up simulations is only to illustrate the importance of perspective, and the usefulness of acting upon practical reality without immediately prioritizing some ultimate reality like living in a simulation.
Also, you've misinterpreted my posts, you can't "impact" a timeline, they have always existed in their most whole, complete forms, and never change in any way, which means their contents are never altered in any way, either.
There was always a timeline where you arrived from the future (objectively of another timeline, subjectively of the one you are in) and changed a bunch of things with your presence (along with other things, such as your actions).
But the ultimate reality is that a timeline with this entire set of events had always existed, and you are merely experiencing these events as a result of your time traveling.
You changed nothing, created nothing, destroyed nothing, your personal experience is all that time travel had impacted.
The same goes for anything you do in the absence of time travel, there are an infinite number of you in an infinite number of timelines, all of which are experiencing a different set of events, and to a degree, your own decisions play a role in which you you get to experience being, and which events you get to experience being a part of.
Now I wouldn't say that something like diseases would be an argument against the possibility of time travel, because they aren't, they are an argument as to why one should be very cautious when time traveling.
This is indeed some risk one would have to manage, not so much for shorter trips into the past, just for the longer ones.
Even then, it's not as catastrophically bad as you make it seem to be, certainly nothing that would absolutely make such a feat as time travel impossible.
The same risks applied for exploring new continents and islands and other regions of the world, yet we overcame it without even being fully aware of the threat.
The other issue, of translocation, means that we merely have to map out the locations in space which we have to go to using a bunch of very short trips to establish a pattern of movement to the earth, which could be used to make the necessary predictions of where in space to go to.
So we can overcome almost every objection one would raise against time travel beyond the actual mechanics of how we actually go about achieving it.
Merely attempting to analyze and solve the issues tebders a solution rather quickly, or reveals the issue as not being so dire as you would make it sound, in which case, mere due practice of caution us enough.
At this point, we should be placing our focus on how to figure out the mechanics of time travel.
Lets set these extraneous concerns aside.
No mote worrying about things like paradoxes of causality, the ultimate structure of reality and what it's implications on the real nature of time traveling are, or on what the risks that would be faced by the time traveler are.
First we make it work, the other stuff is distraction from figuring out the mechanics of how it is to be practically acheived.
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I found it a bit ridiculous most of the time, but it does discuss (briefly) a lot of the problems with sliding into other universes.
The tv show Sliders (first couple seasons at least) also hits on some of the same ideas.
There was also a book that someone on made a post about a while back - but can't remember it.
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Fred Hoyle Conspiracy Theory.
The Nature of the Universe, by Fred Hoyle.
Astronomer & Mathematician Sir Fred Hoyle - 24 June 1915 / 20 August 2001 - who similarly denied the Big Bang in favor of what he called the "Steady State Universe," arrived at the conclusion space faring, time traveling aliens living among us direct human affairs.
May 10,1971 Hoyle called a news conference and made the following startling announcement .. "human beings are simply pawns in a great game being played by alien minds, which control mankind’s every move. “These alien minds come from another universe that has five dimensions, whose laws of chemistry and physics are completely different from ours.
They have learned to shatter the TIME/SPACE barriers that restrict us .. these super intelligent entities are so different from us that to apprehend them or to describe them in human terms is impossible .. they seem to be totally free from any such physical restrictions as bodies, and they are more like pure intelligence.
They seem to have the ability to be almost anywhere in the universe in a matter of seconds .. they are everywhere—in the sky, on the sea, on Earth, they have been here for countless eons and they have probably controlled the evolution of Homo sapiens. All of what man has built and become was accomplished because of the "tinkering" of these intelligent forces." http://www.biography.com/people/fred-hoyle.
Sir Fred is a man after my own heart .. he also argued that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution was “wrong” and declared natural selection couldn’t explain evolution. In the 1980s he co-developed the theory that the origin of life involved cells which arrived from space, and that comets helped promote evolution by bringing a steady influx of viruses.
https://i.postimg.cc/TY8ch1Q1/Tharsis.jpg
The ash blanket that covers much of Mars' surface came from successive eruptions of volcanoes on the Tharsis Shield, which are said to have occurred between "3.7 billion and 500 million yrs ago." Wiki.
Curiosity Rover landed in Gale Crater which is three miles deep and one hundred mi across, which means the impact that formed the crater displaced some 7,500 cubic miles of volcanic ash, to reveal an ancient surface that is in large part intact!
https://i.postimg.cc/JzjwDJk9/Roofing-Iron-C1035.png
Curiosity Sol 1035 returned July 5, 2015 - Has cliplock iron roofing which was first produced in Australia in 1962, protruding from under about a meter of mudstone, itself covered by no less than three miles of volcanic ash .. think about how it got there & conclude the only viable explanation is extra planetary time travel. https://mars.nasa.gov/raw_images/263702/?site=msl.