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[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 20:02:35 ago (+2/-0)

Why? Is it factually true?

Or perhaps there’s some other advantage to reviving dead religions that I am unaware of?

Are we going to do the whole human sacrifice thing?

Your argument presumably is that it was a horrible mistake to stop worshipping Odin or Jupiter or whomever and start worshipping Jesus, because nothing good came out of Christianity and it made us weak and vulnerable to jews..

But by virtue of your own argument, worshipping Odin and Jupiter made us equally vulnerable to jews. There was obviously a flaw in these IE religions that allowed Christian jews to destoy our nations and empires with their judeo-christian sophistry, right? Why are the pagan religions more resistant to jewish brainwashing? Don’t you have to make that case?

I have an alternative. Its called evolution and it attempts to explain why a group like the jews arises and how they work to exploit us. And it attempts to explain the behaviors of all groups and of individuals who are exploitive of other members from within the group. It explains the purpose of human society and the purpose of religion.

I dont really have a problem with religions, but if we’re all going to brainwash ourselves to follow a religion that none of us were actually raised in, and that will not be particularly authentic to whatever was practiced 2000 yrs ago, shouldnt we have a better reason than just “It wasnt jewish”?

[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 20:46:47 ago (+1/-0)

I challenge you to find a Heathen who still does blood sacrifices and magic. Weekend LARPers don't count.
We've all moved on to science. Evolution is a tool we use to create a future race of Übermensch.

The problem is, we have a master class and a slave class. They aren't in relation to each other. They are in relation to circumstance. A master is the master of his circumstance and the slave is a slave to his circumstance.

The slave must have religion because he can't think for himself. The slave requires permission from something else.
Meanwhile, the master doesn't need religion because he just does whatever the fuck he wants.

This is where the conflict arises. Christianity was designed from the beginning to be a religion specifically for the slave class.
Paganism wasn't for the slave class or the master class. It just included everyone in the tribe. But, Christianity specifically caters to the slaves and anyone who isn't a slave must be destroyed because they are a danger to the slave class.

Hence, you get a Christian slave class destroying its own civilization from within, because it's the master class that designs civilization. Without the master class, there's no one to say "Fuck it, I'll do it!"

This is why we need to return to the Gods of our ancestors. The masters don't really care about the gods. So, paganism doesn't bother us because it doesn't get in our way.
But, as long as there is a slave class, they are going to need some kind of god. And if they need a god, they might as well support a Heroic-Epic which is constructive to an Ethno-State as opposed to destroying the Ethno-State. Or worse yet... Building an Ethno-State for a foreign power at the expense of a White Ethno-State.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 22:08:54 ago (+0/-0)*

Weekend LARPers don't count.

I believe theres a name for this. Something something Scotsman?

We've all moved on to science.

Well you havent fully accepted science if you are worshipping supernatural beings.

A master is the master of his circumstance and the slave is a slave to his circumstance.

Platitudes. A master may be a parasite, living of of slaves while producing nothing of value.

The slave must have religion because he can't think for himself. The slave requires permission from something else.

We have religion as a means to regulate society, because there’s no point in working and living collectively if some other dude is just going to take advantage and do what he pleases while living off the group. Of course we can’t do what we want. Of course we can’t decide what our own morals are. That Nietzchean concept is ridiculous. It’s just like the movie “Rope” when the jews decide they are going to kill some kid for kicks. Morality is for plodding suckers.

What’s the point of having a 140 iq if you’re going to act like a nigger? The more morally strict a society is, the more efficient it is. When people do what they want, you end up with corrupt poor societies. Nobody trusts each other enough to cooperate.

Without the master class, there's no one to say "Fuck it, I'll do it!"

No. You dont understand how classes work. Military and bureacratic elites use violence and deception to stay in control. They add less and less value to society over time as they perfect their parasitic strategy. This is what jews do. This is what muslim warlords do. It’s opportunism. It’s the reason why aristocrats become decadent and degenerate.

Elite classes are the second type of criminal. The first are people that act like common niggers, producing nothing, stealing, conning killing. The second type are basically the same but they do so through legal means because they control law, and they do so through deception by controlling information. Or they do it through brute force and call it a military action. But they are parasites. The amish had it right when they removed powerful and wealthy hierarchies from their religion. The catholics had it right when they prevented powerful priests from reproducing.

Eugenics is not just about high IQs and blond hair. Its about being honest and meritocratic and not evolving in to parasites like the jews.

[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 01:48:52 ago (+1/-0)

Don’t mind him, he can’t help himself.
He only added the

Weekend LARPers don't count.

part to his larp, after the last time he posed that challenge here and it took me 2 minutes to post a link to a cum drinking pagan faggot giving blood ritual tutorials online. Lol
Literally in like 2 minutes.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 22:26:08 ago (+0/-0)

Well you havent fully accepted science if you are worshipping supernatural beings.
Except we aren't. Do you get mad at sports team mascots because they aren't real? Me neither. It's the same thing with the White Gods. They are mascots. That's OK. Let the slaves worship them if they need to. We've got better things to do.

Platitudes. A master may be a parasite, living of of slaves while producing nothing of value.
See, this is where I start to think you are a slave. The master/slave dynamic doesn't have any relationship to each other. It's a relationship between an individual and his circumstance.
But, you are a slave, so you can't understand this. Your circumstance doesn't allow you to.

We have religion as a means to regulate society, because there’s no point in working and living collectively if some other dude is just going to take advantage and do what he pleases while living off the group.
OK slave confirmed. There just isn't a conversation to be had here. You fundamentally can't understand the nature of the conversation.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 23:18:19 ago (+0/-0)*

Except we aren't. Do you get mad at sports team mascots because they aren't real? Me neither. It's the same thing with the White Gods. They are mascots

Some might call his larping. Belief systems are powerful because people really believe in them and are willing to die for them. Muslims are fanatical. That is power.

But, you are a slave, so you can't understand this. Your circumstance doesn't allow you to.

This is really dishonest. You just call me a slave to dismiss my points? Youre just going to do the ad hominem thing? Its weak.

Humans evolved to live in societies because cooperativity improves efficiency and reduces individual risks. But when working cooperatively and sharing risks, a system must be developed that prevents some members from exploiting others— otherwise it isn’t worth it to live cooperatively. That system was religion. It’s hard-wired in to your brain. The architecture of your brain was made for religion, and you cannot stop thinking in religious paradigms, even if you want to.

Niggers regulate behaviors less than whites— their religions tend to reflect their strategies which are doing as they please. Less stringent morals means lower group efficiency. Economically. White cooperativity is higher. We are “slaves” to the group, much more so than blacks. Whites restrict inefficient sexual behavior, inefficient pleasure seeking, and inefficient excess coompetion because it weakens the group. All the morals of the “slave religion” were already in whites. The whiter the people, the less given to reckless and self serving behavior they are. The most tightly regulated societies are northern europeans and east asians.

I would like to also point out that the higher the wealth or power disparity in a society the more corrupt it is. Once again, northern europe is the most egalitarian and the least corrupt. Large class distinctions are a sign of corruption.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 23:42:16 ago (+0/-0)

No, I call you a slave because you fundamentally don't understand what you are talking about. We can't have a conversation because instead of trying to learn why you don't understand something, you react emotionally and start talking about power dynamics which were never a part of the conversation to begin with.

I would like to also point out that the higher the wealth or power disparity in a society
See... Like that.

You and I aren't talking about the same thing. So, we can't have a conversation.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 00:14:17 ago (+0/-0)

you’re a slave because you just dont get it. If you just accepted what I said unquestioningly you wouldnt be a slave

This is a babyish response.

If you have a well thought out theory of human society, I would suggest that you try to articulate it some time instead of just trolling christians and resorting to ad hominems every time someone challenges your assertions. I suggest that you dont understand what Im talking about. Nietzche got quite a few things wrong.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 00:33:54 ago (+0/-0)

OK, here's a test to see if we are capable of having the same conversation:

Two people ask "can I go to the bathroom?" They are asking different questions. What's the difference between the two people? Which one is "oppressing" the other?

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 01:00:23 ago (+0/-0)

Ya know, maybe we aren’t capable of having the same converstion. But I wonder why that makes me a slave? Maybe you are simply not flexible enough to defend your beliefs to someone with a different point of view.

There are places where cooperativity is very low and people do as they please. In these places, people never worked together long enough to even build a bathroom. So the question in those places is “Can I shit in the ditch behind the shack?” and it always has the same answer: “ yes, as long as your legs and asshole still work.” That is because no one ever considers other people’s needs in those places.

Why do you think niggers are always so thoughtless in public? Why are they so blissfully stress free? Its because they arent pre-programmed with morals which drive them to consider their own behaviors and their impact on the group. Altruism as a function of kin selection makes sense. Subverting your own will for the benefit of the group is an advantage in the context of intergroup competion.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 01:10:58 ago (+0/-0)

Tell you what. I'm starting a jitsi with the niggies in chat. Come join us and we can talk about it there. But, I'm really not interested in a long drawn out conversation about this in text.
https://meet.jit.si/NiggerFaggots

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 21:16:21 ago (+0/-0)

"Not worshiping jews didn't work because jews came in and taught us to worship them, so we're just gonna have to keep worshiping jews!"

No.

Hitler lost. Does that mean there was nothing good about Nazism?

The whole first half of your post is bullshit, so fuck off with it. As for the second part, I fully believe in evolution and it is not at odds with belief in the supernatural. Our pagan ancestors revered masculine and feminine deities who represented roles in their society and ideals they could aspire to. The jewish all in one god tells everyone they are an amorphous and undefined lump of brown clay and that is what their religions idealize. If you want to come up with a new religion, go for it, and the title doesn't say "you must worship the gods of your ancestors," just "reconsider" it. Learn about it. Take the parts that work and abandon the parts that don't.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 22:52:54 ago (+0/-0)

The whole first half of your post is bullshit, so fuck off with it.

Not an argument.

I fully believe in evolution and it is not at odds with belief in the supernatural.

I assume whatever pagan religion you worship has a creation story? It is as at odds with evolution as christianity—because key parts of your religion are not true. They are stories made up by people that didnt have a well developed scientific knowlege base.
Does that mean there was nothing good about Nazism?
First of all, I did not assert there is nothing good about paganism. But if you cannot argue why paganism is a belief system more resilient than christianity then why are we talking about it? The Romans let jews in the door of the roman empire while they were pagans. Christian jews and their followers then took over the empire through ideology and then used Roman might to force additional conversions. They did exactly what you are complaining that Christianity has allowed now. Nazism warns against jews and foreigners specifically. There is nothing demonstrably untrue about what Hitler said. It wasnt an ideological undermining but a military defeat that ended the Reich. The defeat of the Roman religion was ideological . There is nothing in the Roman pagan religion that warned people against the jews. They were just replacing one fairy story with another. Now you are telling me I have to go back to the first fairy story. With magical trees and giant snakes encircling the earth. No.

Pagan religions offer zero defense against the mind viruses of jews. They offer no defense against exploitation from elites. Because they dont attempt to explain them. Evolution does and so did the national socialism of the reich, at least in part. Youre just setting us up for another fall because paganism doesnt explain how the world really works. It doesnt identify the dangers that threaten us today. It was suitable for people that lived long ago in a different time with different threats.

Our pagan ancestors revered masculine and feminine deities who represented roles in their society and ideals they could aspire to.

You could do that with real people. People do that with movie stars and war heros.

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 00:00:04 ago (+0/-0)

Constantine was far from the only Christian to use force to push Christianity, just as the other jewish golem Islam has done. Many of paganism's defeats were military defeats, not ideological defeats. Christian nations continue to let jews in the door and have done so repeatedly for most of the last two millennia. None of your arguments against Paganism hold any more weight than the same argument against Christianity. People thousands of years ago also did not have as much of a history of jewish subversion to learn from - who's to say they couldn't have defended against it ideologically, given time to adapt? But jews killed them quickly and replaced them with golems.

I agree that evolution provides a better defense against jewish tricks, though jews use atheists like Rand and Marx to treat science as a religion whose belief system has nothing to do with actual science.

There's also the significant possibility that there are side effects to giving away your spiritual energy, quantum energy, conscious power, or whatever the fuck causes there to be significant bends in probability curves when conscious observers wish for a particular outcome. The jews have been doing sin transferal magic for thousands of years - see the ritual where they swing a chicken around and impart their sins into it, then kill it so the chicken dies with their sins. Why are christians taught to eat the flesh and drink the blood of their savior? Why do they act out the killing and eating of an innocent man? Why might jewish cannibals want to transfer the sin of cannibalism onto someone else through spiritual ritual? I believe that christianity is a spiritual trap created by jews.

We need a religion that's a real defense. Paganism is at least not actively aiding the jews like their golem religions do (through Crowleyite paganism is a trap, same with theosophy and freemasonry and a few other cults). Whatever religion that is will have to conform to evolution, and Paganism comes closer than christianity or islam. We can also come up with our own Gods and mythical people that fit our people, as that is the way of Paganism. If the gods are egregores, they are manifestations of the conscious will of the people who believe in them. Believing in a jewish trap god empowers jews. Believing in the gods of your people empowers your people.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 00:40:09 ago (+0/-0)

None of your arguments against Paganism hold any more weight than the same argument against Christianity.

I agree. So why is one better than the other?

People thousands of years ago also did not have as much of a history of jewish subversion to learn from -

Right. That is missing from their religion. Religions should provide guidance for conflict

There's also the significant possibility that there are side effects to giving away your spiritual energy, quantum energy, conscious power, or whatever the fuck causes there to be significant bends in probability curves when conscious observers wish for a particular outcome.

I don’t think that theres anything to indicate that the universe behaves this way. I think that the reasons for making sacrifice or engaging in cannibalism are complex but I would guess that ritual behavior reinforces certain cultural values as a memory device, and that people commit cannibalism because its useful to them, at least in some cases.
If you hate the edomites, maybe you just forget about it after a while. If you had the edomites and you kill a chicken once a year by swinging it over your head while shouting “I hate the edomites” as a group activity with everyone else in the village, maybe you are more likely to build an army and destroy the edomites.

We need a religion that's a real defense

Ok, I agree.
If the gods are egregores, they are manifestations of the conscious will of the people who believe in them
This was a star trek episode.
Believing in a jewish trap god empowers jews
Christians are more numerous. Why isn’t yahweh their god now? Why isn’t he a manifestation of gentiles’ will?

[ - ] Kozel 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 4, 2022 23:44:23 ago (+0/-0)

Or perhaps there’s some other advantage to reviving dead religions that I am unaware of?

Religions are a tool to control otherwise unaffiliated regional powers.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 09:34:52 ago (+0/-0)

Religions developed as a form of behavioral control which societies evolved to manage themselves. They are not wrong per se. They mostly were practiced by a group of related people historically. I guess as empires have become larger and more diverse they have been used to unite them.

[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 5, 2022 01:14:25 ago (+0/-0)

I found the video well argued, logical, and thoughtful. Did you watch any of it or are you arguing with the post title? Also are you personally invested in Christianity or atheism? It sounds like you have strong feelings.

To answer your question of "why bother", religion is powerful in the cultural and political spheres, and it has lots of power over people personally, in their private thoughts. All of that is particularly well suited to the war we are fighting, and the kikes use their religion as a foundational way to maintain their cohesiveness against us. Without their religion they would probably not even be relevant at all. That's why religion matters.

If you concede that religion matters, and acknowledge jews want to destroy us, and further acknowledge without jews there would be no Christianity, then it seems as simple as not wanting to follow laws that were authored by jews. I'm having a hard time understanding what anyone doesn't get about not following a religion authored by them that displaced what were at the time cherished aspects of our cultural (White) identity. If you're Christian I kind of understand, because admitting the answer basically destroys your worldview but it's still pretty blatant.

The only remaining question is if religion matters and Christianity is corrupted then how should we approach religion? The only answer I have is to ignore it which I did for years (you don't get any of the benefits I mentioned or any deep perspective on how judaism the religion enables the jews) or you can explore a religion that ties you to your race and ancestors with strongly felt experiences, serves as a source of relief, perseverence, and hope, and in doing so gives you an opportunity to learn aspects of your history and race that you never would have known about otherwise.

If it's not for you then fine, but for some of us these old, White religions drive our fighting spirit. That's why.