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They really do.      (files.catbox.moe)

submitted by WileyWallaby to whatever 1.8 years ago

15 comments

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Christianity     (pic8.co)

submitted by WileyWallaby to whatever 1.8 years ago

2 comments

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Based game dev getting review bombed by woke soys, we'll see about that...     (store.steampowered.com)

submitted by WileyWallaby to whatever 2.2 years ago

20 comments

Story here:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-03-13-indie-dev-gets-review-bombed-on-steam-after-slipping-anti-mask-rhetoric-in-patch-notes
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Timeline of the end times      (endtimes)

submitted by WileyWallaby to endtimes 2.2 years ago

4 comments

The first Seal, Rev 6:2: “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. “
-Antichrist, or he who will later become the Antichrist (after his deadly wound is healed and apparent “resurrection”) sets forth. This may or may not be apparent to the population, little detail is given.
The Second Seal, Rev 6:4: “And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.”
Matt 24:7: “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom…”
-Peace taken from Earth, World War.
The Third Seal, Rev 6:5-6: “And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.”
Matt 24:7:”...and there shall be famines...”
-Widespread food shortages and hyperinflation. A penny here is a translated from the greek word denarion, equivalent to a full twelve hour workday’s wages.
The Fourth Seal, Rev6:8: “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”
-A quarter of the earth dead at this point.
The Fifth Seal, Rev 6:9,11: “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held... ...And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Matt 24:9, 21: “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.” “... then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
Rev 12:17: “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
-Period of intense persecution and killing of true believers in Christ. The “Great Tribulation”.
The Sixth Seal, Rev 6:12-17: “...there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood...And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Matt 24:29-30: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
1 Th 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”
Rev 14:14-15: “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”
-Christ appears in the clouds, people of the whole world terrified at His coming. Dead believers resurrected.
Rev 7: (After the Sixth Seal but before the Seventh): “...After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes…”
**Matt 24:31: “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” **
1 Th 4: 17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”
Rev 14:16: “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.”
The “Rapture” Note carefully that multiple passages such as in Matt 24 and Mark 13 agree it is “after the tribulation of those days”.
The Seventh Seal, Rev 8:1-5: “...there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer... ...And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."
-The beginning of God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting, Antichrist-worshipping world. Leading to the trumpet judgments and pouring our upon the earth the vials of God’s wrath.
How to be Saved!
Recognize your Guilt before God: “For ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the Glory of God!” Romans 3:23.


Realize there is a penalty for sin: "For the wages of sin is death;..." Romans 6:23


Believe that Jesus paid your sin penalty on the cross and was rose again the third day: "...but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23 "Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen" Mark 16:6


Understand that as a sinner there is nothing you can do to save yourself: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9


Trust in Jesus alone to save you: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9-10


Simple Prayer of Salvation: Dear Lord, I know that I am a sinner. I truly believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins, and that He rose again from the dead. So now I put my faith in Jesus alone and ask you to save me. Thank you Lord, in Jesus’ Name!

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Basic timeline of the great tribulation.      (666)

submitted by WileyWallaby to 666 2.3 years ago

17 comments

**The first Seal, Rev 6:2: “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. “**

-Antichrist, or he who will later become the Antichrist (after his deadly wound is healed and apparent “resurrection”) sets forth. This may or may not be apparent to the population, little detail is given.

**The Second Seal, Rev 6:4: “And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.”**

**Matt 24:7: “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom…”**

-Peace taken from Earth, very extensive war(s).

**The Third Seal, Rev 6:5-6: “And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.”**

**Matt 24:7:”...and there shall be famines...”**

-Widespread food shortages and hyperinflation. A penny here is a translated from the greek word denarion, equivalent to a full twelve hour workday’s wages.

**The Fourth Seal, Rev6:8: “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”**

-A quarter of the earth dead at this point.

**The Fifth Seal, Rev 6:9,11: “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held... ...And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.**

**Matt 24:9, 21: “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.” “... then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”**

**Rev 12:17: “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”**

-Period of intense persecution and killing of true believers in Christ. The “Great Tribulation”.

**The Sixth Seal, Rev 6:12-17: “...there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood...And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?**

**Matt 24:29-30: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”**

**1 Th 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”**

**Rev 14:14-15: “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”**

-Christ appears in the clouds, people of the whole world terrified at His coming. Dead believers resurrected.

**Rev 7: (After the Sixth Seal but before the Seventh): “...After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes…”**

**Matt 24:31: “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” **

**1 Th 4: 17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”**

**Rev 14:16: “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.”**

- The “Rapture” Note carefully that multiple passages such as in Matt 24 and Mark 13 agree it is “after the tribulation of those days”.

**The Seventh Seal, Rev 8:1-5: “...there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer... ...And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."**

-The beginning of God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting, Antichrist-worshipping world. Leading to the trumpet judgments and pouring our upon the earth the vials of God’s wrath.


**How to be Saved!**

1) Recognize your Guilt before God: **“For ALL HAVE SINNED and come
short of the Glory of God!”** Romans 3:23.

2) Realize there is a penalty for sin: **"For the wages of sin is death;..."** Romans 6:23

3) Believe that Jesus paid your sin penalty on the cross and was rose again the third day: **"...but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."** Romans 6:23 **"Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen"** Mark 16:6

4) Understand that as a sinner there is nothing you can do to save yourself: **"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."** Ephesians 2:8-9

5) Trust in Jesus alone to save you: **"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."** Romans 10:9-10

Simple Prayer of Salvation: Dear Lord, I know that I am a sinner. I
truly believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins, and
that He rose again from the dead. So now I put my faith in Jesus alone and ask you
to save me. Thank you Lord, in Jesus’ Name!**
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Why you should only use the King James Bible. (If you want to read the Bible in English).     (Christian)

submitted by WileyWallaby to Christian 2.3 years ago

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*This started out as a reply to a comment but it's such an important issue that it deserves it's own post.*

"Yea hath God said" being, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book the enemy loves to cast doubt on what God really said. (The serpent making Eve question if God really said what He said about not eating the forbidden fruit, and if He did, did He mean it, and if He did was he lying.)

Consider the New Testament, for about a millennium and a half there was essentially no real debate on what the text of the books that comprise the New Testament was.

Those accepted texts were collectively called "the received text" meaning *essentially* "the same texts we've always had" scholars refer to them as the "Textus Receptus".

About 500 years ago, a guy named Desiderius Erasmus (aka Erasmus of Rotterdam) who has been widely regarded as the smartest man who ever lived, compiled them all together. There was of course the occasional manuscript found that differed from the vast majority and it was rightly discarded.

This assembled Greek Textus Receptus forms the basis for all faithful translations of the (New Testament) Bible, the most recent one in English being the King James Bible.

Since those times scholarly methods of textual criticism have become popular with really "smart" ideas like "well if 120 ancient texts agree and 1 or 2 say something different, the 1 or 2 must be right because they wouldn't go against the grain unless it were true".

Using these sorts of methods God-haters have been able twist the words to say whatever they want to undermine key doctrines of the Bible like the virgin birth, Jesus' death on the cross, the divinity of Christ, etc. And with corrupt minority texts like the codices vaticanus and sinaiticus they release so-called bibles that just change whatever they feel like.

We could do the same sort of breakdown for the old testament and the masoretic text vs the septuagint and get into all that if I felt up to it but hopefully you get the idea.

TL:DR if you speak English you should be reading the King James Bible and not some modern adulteration like the NIV.
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Why you should only use the King James Bible. (If you want to read the Bible in English).     (Christianity)

submitted by WileyWallaby to Christianity 2.3 years ago

6 comments

*This started out as a reply to a comment but it's such an important issue that it deserves it's own post.*

"Yea hath God said" being, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book the enemy loves to cast doubt on what God really said. (The serpent making Eve question if God really said what He said about not eating the forbidden fruit, and if He did, did He mean it, and if He did was he lying.)

Consider the New Testament, for about a millennium and a half there was essentially no real debate on what the text of the books that comprise the New Testament was.

Those accepted texts were collectively called "the received text" meaning *essentially* "the same texts we've always had" scholars refer to them as the "Textus Receptus".

About 500 years ago, a guy named Desiderius Erasmus (aka Erasmus of Rotterdam) who has been widely regarded as the smartest man who ever lived, compiled them all together. There was of course the occasional manuscript found that differed from the vast majority and it was rightly discarded.

This assembled Greek Textus Receptus forms the basis for all faithful translations of the (New Testament) Bible, the most recent one in English being the King James Bible.

Since those times scholarly methods of textual criticism have become popular with really "smart" ideas like "well if 120 ancient texts agree and 1 or 2 say something different, the 1 or 2 must be right because they wouldn't go against the grain unless it were true".

Using these sorts of methods God-haters have been able twist the words to say whatever they want to undermine key doctrines of the Bible like the virgin birth, Jesus' death on the cross, the divinity of Christ, etc. And with corrupt minority texts like the codices vaticanus and sinaiticus they release so-called bibles that just change whatever they feel like.

We could do the same sort of breakdown for the old testament and the masoretic text vs the septuagint and get into all that if I felt up to it but hopefully you get the idea.

TL:DR if you speak English you should be reading the King James Bible and not some modern adulteration like the NIV.
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Corrected the Wikipedia article     (m.imgur.com)

submitted by WileyWallaby to whatever 2.3 years ago

2 comments

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How can God accept us into heaven after we receive Christ even though we still sin?     (religion)

submitted by WileyWallaby to religion 2.3 years ago

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How can God accept us into heaven after we receive Christ even though we still sin?

To be clear, the following isn't contradicting the **fact** that the Father judges the saved by Christ's righteousness and not our own, but to look into the *method* by which Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness. **1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.**

So we know that he helps us during this life, but we also know that while in this world we will never be perfect. So how then, specifically, is it that "Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness."?

The bulk of the answer may be in this one verse:

**1 John 3:2**

**2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.**

We're transformed into something so magnificent that it's described as "being like him"!

That's it, case closed, let's all go home...

But is there even more to it?

First let’s look at the starting point of a human life, the initial state of man...

**Romans 7**

**9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.**

**10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.**

**11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.**

So here Paul the Apostle explains that he was born spiritually alive, a human baby in innocence before God, but then grew and came to know good from evil and spiritually died, being a sinner. So we are born with a living spirit, but that spirit dies when sin enters in. In the same sense that Adam and Eve died when they ate the forbidden fruit. Their bodies and souls didn't die, but their spirit did.


Next let’s look at the regenerate (quickened, made alive, born-again) state of man:

**2 Corinthians 5**

**14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:**

**15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.**

**16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.**

**17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.**

And there we see both confirmation that we WERE dead and that when we believe on Jesus, we become a new creature. The same person, the same soul, but with a new spirit.


Next we'll see that the old man and the new man coexist within us what that coexistence looks like.

**Ephesians 4:24**

**21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:**

**22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation** [i.e. behavior, attitude, philospohy] **the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;**

**23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;**

**24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.**

We're told above to quit the behavior of the old man and do the behavior of the new man.



**Romans 7** describes coexistence of the old man (flesh) and the new (inward) man.

**18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.**

**19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.**

**20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.**

**21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.**

**22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:**

**23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.**


**1 Corinthians 2** Also describes the old (natural) man and the (spiritual) man...

**11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.**

**12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.**

**13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.**

**14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.**

**15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.**

**16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.**


So it's proven then that we’re sort of stuck with the dead weight of the “old man” but thankfully we see in Romans 8 that:

**1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.**

**2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.**


Consider this question: Which man is able to “walk not after the flesh”? The old or the new?


So then how are we who are in Christ allowed into heaven?

**2 Corinthians 5**

**9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.**

**10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.**

and here's the big reveal:

**1 Corinthians 3**

**11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.**

**12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;**

**13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.**

**14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.**

**15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (Suffering eternal loss of reward, but still saved and admitted to heaven.)**

**16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?**

**17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.**

He's clearly talking to the saved here, so ask yourself which man will God destroy? The natural man or the spiritual man? The old man or the new? God destroys the old man!

And consider...

**1 Corinthians 2**

**14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...**

So which man receives reward? And what (and in a sense, who) is burned away?

(Here’s a hint: **1 Thessalonians 5:9 says: “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,”**)

The old man (that spirit that died when sin entered in) doesn't get into heaven! Your soul does, that is, you as a person do, but not that dead spirit that troubled you all your life in this world and neither does his conversation (deeds, attitude, philosophy).

So it seems the answer to the mystery of how God can accept us after our redemption in Christ, even though we can never fully rid ourselves of the sinful “old man”, is because HE rids us of that sinful, natural man. First he transforms us to "be like him" and then even continues to clean out every last drop of ungodliness from us. Jesus does it all!

So what to do with this information?

Don't let so much of your **being** be the natural, sinful, old man that the best you can hope for is "...shall be saved; yet so as by fire."! Have enough of the new man in you that when you arrive it's not like you're showing up penniless after your home and business both burnt down the same night and having nothing to offer!


Kind of a neat little peak into how He ultimately completes the task of getting us cleaned up to present to His Father, huh? We see our confidence was not misplaced when we trusted Him to finish the job. **"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" Philippians 1:6**



And a bonus!...


**2 Timothy 2**

**11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:**

**12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:**

**13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.**

That sure sounds like not every saved person will reign with him but those who suffer with Him will (but don’t forget 1 Corinthians 3:15 says “If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved”.)

So while the scripture is clear that there will be varying rewards, it seems that applies even to reigning with Him, and that not every saved person will be granted that honor.

Let’s be eligible for some “next level” rewards!
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How can God accept us into heaven after we receive Christ even though we still sin?     (Christianity)

submitted by WileyWallaby to Christianity 2.3 years ago

2 comments

To be clear, the following isn't contradicting the **fact** that the Father judges the saved by Christ's righteousness and not our own, but to look into the *method* by which Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness. **1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.**

So we know that he helps us during this life, but we also know that while in this world we will never be perfect. So how then, specifically, is it that "Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness."?

The bulk of the answer may be in this one verse:

**1 John 3:2**

**2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.**

We're transformed into something so magnificent that it's described as "being like him"!

That's it, case closed, let's all go home...

But is there even more to it?

First let’s look at the starting point of a human life, the initial state of man...

**Romans 7**

**9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.**

**10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.**

**11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.**

So here Paul the Apostle explains that he was born spiritually alive, a human baby in innocence before God, but then grew and came to know good from evil and spiritually died, being a sinner. So we are born with a living spirit, but that spirit dies when sin enters in. In the same sense that Adam and Eve died when they ate the forbidden fruit. Their bodies and souls didn't die, but their spirit did.


Next let’s look at the regenerate (quickened, made alive, born-again) state of man:

**2 Corinthians 5**

**14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:**

**15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.**

**16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.**

**17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.**

And there we see both confirmation that we WERE dead and that when we believe on Jesus, we become a new creature. The same person, the same soul, but with a new spirit.


Next we'll see that the old man and the new man coexist within us what that coexistence looks like.

**Ephesians 4:24**

**21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:**

**22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation** [i.e. behavior, attitude, philospohy] **the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;**

**23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;**

**24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.**

We're told above to quit the behavior of the old man and do the behavior of the new man.



**Romans 7** describes coexistence of the old man (flesh) and the new (inward) man.

**18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.**

**19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.**

**20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.**

**21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.**

**22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:**

**23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.**


**1 Corinthians 2** Also describes the old (natural) man and the (spiritual) man...

**11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.**

**12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.**

**13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.**

**14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.**

**15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.**

**16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.**


So it's proven then that we’re sort of stuck with the dead weight of the “old man” but thankfully we see in Romans 8 that:

**1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.**

**2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.**


Consider this question: Which man is able to “walk not after the flesh”? The old or the new?


So then how are we who are in Christ allowed into heaven?

**2 Corinthians 5**

**9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.**

**10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.**

and here's the big reveal:

**1 Corinthians 3**

**11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.**

**12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;**

**13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.**

**14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.**

**15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (Suffering eternal loss of reward, but still saved and admitted to heaven.)**

**16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?**

**17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.**

He's clearly talking to the saved here, so ask yourself which man will God destroy? The natural man or the spiritual man? The old man or the new? God destroys the old man!

And consider...

**1 Corinthians 2**

**14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...**

So which man receives reward? And what (and in a sense, who) is burned away?

(Here’s a hint: **1 Thessalonians 5:9 says: “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,”**)

The old man (that spirit that died when sin entered in) doesn't get into heaven! Your soul does, that is, you as a person do, but not that dead spirit that troubled you all your life in this world and neither does his conversation (deeds, attitude, philosophy).

So it seems the answer to the mystery of how God can accept us after our redemption in Christ, even though we can never fully rid ourselves of the sinful “old man”, is because HE rids us of that sinful, natural man. First he transforms us to "be like him" and then even continues to clean out every last drop of ungodliness from us. Jesus does it all!

So what to do with this information?

Don't let so much of your **being** be the natural, sinful, old man that the best you can hope for is "...shall be saved; yet so as by fire."! Have enough of the new man in you that when you arrive it's not like you're showing up penniless after your home and business both burnt down the same night and having nothing to offer!


Kind of a neat little peak into how He ultimately completes the task of getting us cleaned up to present to His Father, huh? We see our confidence was not misplaced when we trusted Him to finish the job. **"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" Philippians 1:6**



And a bonus!...


**2 Timothy 2**

**11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:**

**12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:**

**13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.**

That sure sounds like not every saved person will reign with him but those who suffer with Him will (but don’t forget 1 Corinthians 3:15 says “If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved”.)

So while the scripture is clear that there will be varying rewards, it seems that applies even to reigning with Him, and that not every saved person will be granted that honor.

Let’s be eligible for some “next level” rewards!
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How can God accept us into heaven after we receive Christ even though we still sin?     (Christian)

submitted by WileyWallaby to Christian 2.3 years ago

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To be clear, the following isn't contradicting the **fact** that the Father judges the saved by Christ's righteousness and not our own, but to look into the *method* by which Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness. **1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.**

So we know that he helps us during this life, but we also know that while in this world we will never be perfect. So how then, specifically, is it that "Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness."?

The bulk of the answer may be in this one verse:

**1 John 3:2**

**2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.**

We're transformed into something so magnificent that it's described as "being like him"!

That's it, case closed, let's all go home...

But is there even more to it?

First let’s look at the starting point of a human life, the initial state of man...

**Romans 7**

**9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.**

**10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.**

**11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.**

So here Paul the Apostle explains that he was born spiritually alive, a human baby in innocence before God, but then grew and came to know good from evil and spiritually died, being a sinner. So we are born with a living spirit, but that spirit dies when sin enters in. In the same sense that Adam and Eve died when they ate the forbidden fruit. Their bodies and souls didn't die, but their spirit did.


Next let’s look at the regenerate (quickened, made alive, born-again) state of man:

**2 Corinthians 5**

**14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:**

**15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.**

**16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.**

**17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.**

And there we see both confirmation that we WERE dead and that when we believe on Jesus, we become a new creature. The same person, the same soul, but with a new spirit.


Next we'll see that the old man and the new man coexist within us what that coexistence looks like.

**Ephesians 4:24**

**21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:**

**22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation** [i.e. behavior, attitude, philospohy] **the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;**

**23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;**

**24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.**

We're told above to quit the behavior of the old man and do the behavior of the new man.



**Romans 7** describes coexistence of the old man (flesh) and the new (inward) man.

**18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.**

**19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.**

**20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.**

**21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.**

**22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:**

**23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.**


**1 Corinthians 2** Also describes the old (natural) man and the (spiritual) man...

**11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.**

**12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.**

**13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.**

**14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.**

**15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.**

**16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.**


So it's proven then that we’re sort of stuck with the dead weight of the “old man” but thankfully we see in Romans 8 that:

**1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.**

**2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.**


Consider this question: Which man is able to “walk not after the flesh”? The old or the new?


So then how are we who are in Christ allowed into heaven?

**2 Corinthians 5**

**9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.**

**10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.**

and here's the big reveal:

**1 Corinthians 3**

**11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.**

**12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;**

**13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.**

**14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.**

**15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (Suffering eternal loss of reward, but still saved and admitted to heaven.)**

**16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?**

**17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.**

He's clearly talking to the saved here, so ask yourself which man will God destroy? The natural man or the spiritual man? The old man or the new? God destroys the old man!

And consider...

**1 Corinthians 2**

**14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...**

So which man receives reward? And what (and in a sense, who) is burned away?

(Here’s a hint: **1 Thessalonians 5:9 says: “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,”**)

The old man (that spirit that died when sin entered in) doesn't get into heaven! Your soul does, that is, you as a person do, but not that dead spirit that troubled you all your life in this world and neither does his conversation (deeds, attitude, philosophy).

So it seems the answer to the mystery of how God can accept us after our redemption in Christ, even though we can never fully rid ourselves of the sinful “old man”, is because HE rids us of that sinful, natural man. First he transforms us to "be like him" and then even continues to clean out every last drop of ungodliness from us. Jesus does it all!

So what to do with this information?

Don't let so much of your **being** be the natural, sinful, old man that the best you can hope for is "...shall be saved; yet so as by fire."! Have enough of the new man in you that when you arrive it's not like you're showing up penniless after your home and business both burnt down the same night and having nothing to offer!


Kind of a neat little peak into how He ultimately completes the task of getting us cleaned up to present to His Father, huh? We see our confidence was not misplaced when we trusted Him to finish the job. **"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" Philippians 1:6**



And a bonus!...


**2 Timothy 2**

**11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:**

**12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:**

**13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.**

That sure sounds like not every saved person will reign with him but those who suffer with Him will (but don’t forget 1 Corinthians 3:15 says “If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved”.)

So while the scripture is clear that there will be varying rewards, it seems that applies even to reigning with Him, and that not every saved person will be granted that honor.

Let’s be eligible for some “next level” rewards!
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The Tribulation according to the Bible     (religion)

submitted by WileyWallaby to religion 2.4 years ago

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The Tribulation according to the Bible



The first Seal, Rev 6:2: “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. “

-Antichrist, or he who will later become the antichrist (after his deadly wound is healed and apparent “resurrection”) sets forth. This may or may not be apparent to the population, little detail is given.




The Second Seal, Rev 6:4: “And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.”

Matt 24:7: “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom…”

-Peace taken from Earth, World War.



The Third Seal, Rev 6:5-6: “And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.”

Matt 24:7:”...and there shall be famines...”

-Widespread food shortages and hyperinflation. A penny here is a translated from the greek word denarion, equivalent to a full twelve hour workday’s wages.



The Fourth Seal, Rev6:8: “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”

-A quarter of the earth dead at this point.



The Fifth Seal, Rev 6:9,11: “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held... ...And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Matt 24:9, 15, 21, 23: “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.” ”When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...” “... then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.”

Rev 12:17: “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

-Period of intense persecution and killing of true believers in Christ. The “Great Tribulation”.


The Sixth Seal, Rev 6:12-17: “...there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood...And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matt 24:29-30: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

1 Th 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”

Rev 14:14-15: “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”

-Christ appears in the clouds, people of the whole world terrified at His coming. Dead believers resurrected.

Rev 7: (After the Sixth Seal but before the Seventh): “...After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes…”

Matt 24:31: “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

1 Th 4: 17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”

Rev 14:16: “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.”


- The “Rapture” Note carefully that multiple passages such as in Matt 24 and Mark 13 agree it is “after the tribulation of those days”.


The Seventh Seal, Rev 8:1-5: “...there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer... ...And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

-The beginning of God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting, Antichrist-worshipping world. Leading to the trumpet judgements and pouring our upon the earth the vials of God’s wrath.









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The Tribulation according to the Bible     (Christian)

submitted by WileyWallaby to Christian 2.4 years ago

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The Tribulation according to the Bible



The first Seal, Rev 6:2: “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. “

-Antichrist, or he who will later become the antichrist (after his deadly wound is healed and apparent “resurrection”) sets forth. This may or may not be apparent to the population, little detail is given.




The Second Seal, Rev 6:4: “And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.”

Matt 24:7: “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom…”

-Peace taken from Earth, World War.



The Third Seal, Rev 6:5-6: “And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.”

Matt 24:7:”...and there shall be famines...”

-Widespread food shortages and hyperinflation. A penny here is a translated from the greek word denarion, equivalent to a full twelve hour workday’s wages.



The Fourth Seal, Rev6:8: “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”

-A quarter of the earth dead at this point.



The Fifth Seal, Rev 6:9,11: “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held... ...And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Matt 24:9, 15, 21, 23: “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.” ”When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...” “... then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.”

Rev 12:17: “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

-Period of intense persecution and killing of true believers in Christ. The “Great Tribulation”.


The Sixth Seal, Rev 6:12-17: “...there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood...And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matt 24:29-30: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

1 Th 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”

Rev 14:14-15: “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”

-Christ appears in the clouds, people of the whole world terrified at His coming. Dead believers resurrected.

Rev 7: (After the Sixth Seal but before the Seventh): “...After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes…”

Matt 24:31: “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

1 Th 4: 17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”

Rev 14:16: “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.”


- The “Rapture” Note carefully that multiple passages such as in Matt 24 and Mark 13 agree it is “after the tribulation of those days”.


The Seventh Seal, Rev 8:1-5: “...there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer... ...And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

-The beginning of God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting, Antichrist-worshipping world. Leading to the trumpet judgements and pouring our upon the earth the vials of God’s wrath.









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The Tribulation according to the Bible     (Christianity)

submitted by WileyWallaby to Christianity 2.4 years ago

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The Tribulation according to the Bible



The first Seal, Rev 6:2: “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. “

-Antichrist, or he who will later become the antichrist (after his deadly wound is healed and apparent “resurrection”) sets forth. This may or may not be apparent to the population, little detail is given.




The Second Seal, Rev 6:4: “And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.”

Matt 24:7: “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom…”

-Peace taken from Earth, World War.



The Third Seal, Rev 6:5-6: “And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.”

Matt 24:7:”...and there shall be famines...”

-Widespread food shortages and hyperinflation. A penny here is a translated from the greek word denarion, equivalent to a full twelve hour workday’s wages.



The Fourth Seal, Rev6:8: “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”

-A quarter of the earth dead at this point.



The Fifth Seal, Rev 6:9,11: “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held... ...And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Matt 24:9, 15, 21, 23: “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.” ”When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...” “... then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.”

Rev 12:17: “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

-Period of intense persecution and killing of true believers in Christ. The “Great Tribulation”.


The Sixth Seal, Rev 6:12-17: “...there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood...And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matt 24:29-30: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

1 Th 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”

Rev 14:14-15: “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”

-Christ appears in the clouds, people of the whole world terrified at His coming. Dead believers resurrected.

Rev 7: (After the Sixth Seal but before the Seventh): “...After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes…”

Matt 24:31: “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

1 Th 4: 17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”

Rev 14:16: “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.”


- The “Rapture” Note carefully that multiple passages such as in Matt 24 and Mark 13 agree it is “after the tribulation of those days”.


The Seventh Seal, Rev 8:1-5: “...there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer... ...And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

-The beginning of God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting, Antichrist-worshipping world. Leading to the trumpet judgements and pouring our upon the earth the vials of God’s wrath.

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The Tribulation according to the Bible



The first Seal, Rev 6:2: “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. “

-Antichrist, or he who will later become the antichrist (after his deadly wound is healed and apparent “resurrection”) sets forth. This may or may not be apparent to the population, little detail is given.




The Second Seal, Rev 6:4: “And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.”

Matt 24:7: “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom…”

-Peace taken from Earth, World War.



The Third Seal, Rev 6:5-6: “And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.?”

Matt 24:7:”...and there shall be famines...”

-Widespread food shortages and hyperinflation. A penny here is a translated from the greek word denarion, equivalent to a full twelve hour workday’s wages.



The Fourth Seal, Rev6:8: “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”

-A quarter of the earth dead at this point.



The Fifth Seal, Rev 6:9,11: “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held... ...And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Matt 24:9, 15, 21, 23: “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.” ”When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...” “... then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.”

Rev 12:17: “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

-Period of intense persecution and killing of true believers in Christ. The “Great Tribulation”.


The Sixth Seal, Rev 6:12-17: “...there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood...And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matt 24:29-30: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

1 Th 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”

Rev 14:14-15: “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”

-Christ appears in the clouds, people of the whole world terrified at His coming. Dead believers resurrected.

Rev 7: (After the Sixth Seal but before the Seventh): “...After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes…”

Matt 24:31: “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

1 Th 4: 17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”

Rev 14:16: “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.”


- The “Rapture” Note carefully that multiple passages such as in Matt 24 and Mark 13 agree it is “after the tribulation of those days”.


The Seventh Seal, Rev 8:1-5: “...there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer... ...And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

-The beginning of God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting, Antichrist-worshipping world. Leading to the trumpet judgements and pouring our upon the earth the vials of God’s wrath.